C210_Flyer wrote:
Its nonsense period.
It is not. Period! Let’s see how stupid this discussion can get?
C210_Flyer wrote:
Am I going to sell my plane only to have a motor glider with no comparable utility?
You are missing a point here. There are different allowed noise levels for different categories of aircraft. The noise certificate states how far your individual aeroplane stays away from that limit of it’s category . A loud motorglider (they exist!) may pay a higher landing fee than a quiet piston twin. The further a plane stays away from the allowed noise limit, the more discount you will be given for the landing fee. This is supposed to be an incentive to get a quieter prop fixed when yours is due for overhaul anyway. It has worked very well so far in as much as aircraft are concerned which do a lot of landings, e.g. flying school or club aircraft or glider tugs.
C210_Flyer wrote:
All these exclusionary rules dependent on monetary penalties only …
No, unortuntely not. The ultimate penalty is airfield closure or severe reduction in opening hours or movements. This is happening all the time. Granting a discount to quiet aeroplanes is one of the few measures an airfield situated in a noise sensitive environment (as are 90 percent of them in central Europe) has got to avoid more drastic measures.
Oh Achim I do care, that is why I propose a more personal approach. Giving any resident that complains about noise foam ear plugs. Supplied of course by a very concerned govt., free of charge, which means no VAT. This way they can use it when the neighbor cuts his grass or trims their bushes or when a hot headed Testosterone filled youth goes through the neighborhood with either their car radios blasting or their motorcycle tuned for max noise Harley style. See a multi purpose use approach. Perhaps we can have Angela endorse it and present this new approach to the EU.
what_next wrote:
It is not. Period!
It is, period!!
If the problem is airplanes buzzing around the pattern from a flying school all day long than it would be wise to have quieter club planes yes. That can be accomplished without this nonsensical noise certificate for small GA airplanes. The whole problem stemmed from airlines who are filling up the skies in ever increasing numbers with their Stage 3 and 4 engines. So technology came to the rescue because manufactures realized that if they were going to fill Europe with a 10 fold increase in flights they would have to limit the noise around those major hubs. Of course as in everything political a blanket approach were introduced. The sledgehammer to kill the fly approach.
We are big brother, we have the power and you better listen and fall in line.
“You also need a journey log, which is a book where you log all flights for a particular aircraft.”
- are you sure one is needed in Europe for an N-reg aircraft?
Yes; in theory you do – see here. It is an airspace requirement.
However, and we have multiple threads here – search for “journey log” – it isn’t clear whether the intention was to carry it only for international flights, or domestic as well.
And as with 34.567% of EU regs it isn’t clear whether any national CAA (or which national CAA) even understands them, let alone is interested in implementing them 
The problem is that nobody knows which 34.567% this is… Most people can’t even find the latest version of any EU reg because they are in so many places.
