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Aero L - 29 "Delfín" - your personal light jet fighter for 90k?

alioth wrote:

Although there is a wrinkle – an L39 would be “Experimental – Exhibition” and unlike “Experimental – Amateur Built” you’re restricted to a 300nm (IIRC) circle around your home base, except when flying it to and from a place where it is to be exhibited. I think in reality it’s easy enough to arrange some kind of “exhibition” if you want to go outside of your 300nm limit.

This was true, but has not been true for several years. The geographic limitation was removed for newly registered planes and existing planes could apply to have it removed without issue. A guy I knew had an L29 and was unaware of this possibility. After we discussed it, he had the restriction removed before selling the plane.

alioth wrote:

When I was based at Galveston Scholes, I think there was an L29 based there at the time. It seemed like a bit of a ground gripper to me, needing most of the longest runway.

L29s climb very slowly until they get up to speed, very shallow initial angle of climb. I always think of flat Eastern European military airports (DDR, Poland etc) when seeing one climb out from a more confined space, turning to maintain best terrain clearance.

Last Edited by Silvaire at 01 Oct 14:40

Wasn’t former Red Arrows pilot Ted Girdler flying an L29 when he sadly lost his life?

Darley Moor, Gamston (UK)

Peter wrote:

Without an ICAO CofA, it is like a “homebuilt”

Njet. Old military jets are nothing like a homebuilts in this respect. In fact any old military plane that doesn’t have a civilian equivalent is a special case. Purely case by case, trip by trip. The only thing they can be used for “internationally” are airshows, and even then there are problems. We had a big airshow here a few years back. Most planes arrived, but as I remember a Mig and a F-86 were stopped in the Netherlands by a bureaucrat, and couldn’t come.

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

LeSving wrote:

Old military jets are nothing like a homebuilts in this respect. In fact any old military plane that doesn’t have a civilian equivalent is a special case. Purely case by case, trip by trip.

This year Farnborough 2018, there was a rumor that an F15E was kicked out from the airshow as not having mode-S

Many old military jets with EU states of Design fall under Annex II rules and can be flown with PtF, which tends to get “auto-accepted” by other sates, so I guess for a flight from UK to France you just need CAA/DGAC approval emails (much difficult than if you fly on Cub/Jodel or microlight…but in the same spirit), of course you may have to comply with a bunch of local aerodrome restrictions if the thing has an afterburner

The list of Annex II is here, actually it includes L-29:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/certification-faq-docs-annex_II_01_Jan_2010.pdf Local Copy

For exotic stuff (e.g. SR71-blackbird ), I guess they have to be decided case by case but Annex 2 scope is fairly exhaustive for first star, also “EASA”, “Annex2”, “Home-built”, “PtF”, “CoFA”, “Non-Certified/Experimental” are very mixed up that one has to seek technical expertise of LAA, BMAA, BGA, NAAs, in the other hand onex-military stuffs no one knows but if you get an email with yes go for it, if it is less than 2T you may sign it yourself

Beyond Europe+Annex II, your file will surely stuck at some bureaucrats office even EASA aircrafts on a CoFA get stuck

Last Edited by Ibra at 01 Oct 17:22
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom
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