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"Air Taxi" with a Cirrus

Are they asking their customers to put on an oxygen mask when flying above 10K feet?

AFAIK you only need passenger oxygen above 13 k feet. Between 10 k feet and 13 k feet its “10 % of passengers for the entire flight time minus 30 minutes”, which makes for some interesting maths in the Cirrus

All highly academic, of course

LOAN Wiener Neustadt Ost, Austria

AFAIK you only need passenger oxygen above 13 k feet.

But the pilot will have to wear his mask above 10.000ft. This will result in a interesting discussion with the passenger(s): “Why don’t we get one of these as well?” “Because the oxygen bottle is not big enough for all of us” …

EDDS - Stuttgart

In the UK you need two engines for an AOC/charter operation which goes A to B. Basically you buy a shagged Seneca, or similar.

For A to A, VFR, you can get a sightseeing AOC for a SEP.

If you could get an A to B SEP AOC, then it could work in the right mission profile – just like the long standing Islander/Trilander flights between southern UK airports and the Channel Islands. In bad wx, they just scud run. They obviously cannot fly in heavily convective IMC; they have to go underneath. And without oxygen (which is IMHO impractical for charter passengers) they cannot outclimb anything “we” here call “weather”. Those flights could never work say between France/Germany and Switzerland.

But it would be expensive… just 3 passengers in an SR22. Also three of today’s average adults, plus some golf clubs, would take an SR22 over MTOW, unless it had not much fuel.

I recall those Islander flights. The operators used to go bust regularly. On one flight I went to Jersey they cancelled the return flight (because I would have been the only one on it) and gave me a ticket to fly back on an airline, to Gatwick, plus a voucher for a train ticket back to Shoreham. The flight to Gatwick was OK but British Rail would not accept the ticket voucher because the company had not settled its account Totally comical.

Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

They are a bit further along – here

The above discussion got a bit confused between the SR22 and the Cirrus jet, I think.

Last Edited by Peter at 27 Mar 17:32
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Quite a few AOC A to A and A to B operations in the UK operate single crew – isn’t multi crew triggered by MAUW or number of passengers?

Enstone (EGTN), Oxford (EGTK)

isn’t multi crew triggered by MAUW or number of passengers?

It basically depends on two things: The manufacturer must equip and certify the aircraft for single pilot operation. This is the case for most part 23 aircraft and a few part 25 ones. There were for example some Citation “SP” models. And secondly, the authority must approve single pilot operation. I only know the rules in Germany, but here, they are very strict regarding jets (any size): No single pilot commercial jet operation. On turboprops, it depends on the complexity of the aircraft: KingAir yes, Metroliner no for example.

EDDS - Stuttgart

We’ve been spammed a couple of times by Flyaeolus, trying to advertise.

They can’t get their posts up because of the manual approval step for new users.

Their website is interesting in as much they show that SEP GA delivers effortless and reliable air taxi services

How does this actually work in reality? Across the year, random date/time travel, a pilot with large balls and full TKS might achieve a 90% despatch rate. That’s a lot of less than happy customers.

Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Piston Single Engine CAT (Comm Air Transp.) means VFR Day Time only.
Not really flexible.


yes, and from what a remember, you need to always be at a reasonable distance from airfield or any place where a forced landing may be possible.
This could make “air taxi” a biot complex becouse you route constraints.

CAT.OP.MPA.136 Routes and areas of operation — single-engined aeroplanes
Regulation (EU) 2017/363
Unless approved by the competent authority in accordance with Annex V (Part-SPA), Subpart L — SINGLE-ENGINED TURBINE AEROPLANE OPERATIONS AT NIGHT OR IN IMC (SET-IMC), the operator shall ensure that operations of single-engined aeroplanes are only conducted along routes, or within areas, where surfaces are available that permit a safe forced landing to be executed.

I just checked a simple Cannes to Albertville for 2 people with flyeolus, and it’s 750€ pp for 1 hour flight. 1500€/h on a SR22, sure you can earn money, just need customers…

Last Edited by greg_mp at 04 Feb 15:41
LFMD, France

The mentioned company is non commercial/shared ownership. I think a Cirrus can be a good tool for some purposes. Especially short distances (1-2 hrs vs 5hrs+ in a car) and smaller airfields not accessible to jets.

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