Hi,
I would like to get your thoughts on whether you think AVN73 (http://www.iuaclauses.co.uk/site/cms/contentDocumentView.asp?chapter=7&category=49) should be included in CSL insurance in order to cover the following two scenarios:
Standard insurance clauses exclude liability to aircrew and inclusion of AVN73 (text inserted at the bottom) would specifically include that.
Questions:
Am I overthinking this point as the insurance agent was surprised when I asked this question as he said it would normally apply only to companies/individuals that hire professional aircrew or in the case of aircraft with minimum required crew of 2?
AVN73 clause wording is as follows:
LIABILITY TO PILOTS AND CREW CLAUSE
It is understood and agreed that notwithstanding any exclusion specifically relating to pilots and operational crew in the Section of this Policy covering the liability of the Insured to passengers, such coverage shall extend to include the liability of the Insured to the pilots and operational crew of the insured Aircraft, but excluding liability required to be insured under the terms of any employers’ liability or workman’s compensation legislation or any similar legislation.
I am no insurance expert but my view is that in a single crew aircraft everybody except the PIC is a passenger.
Well, there is the matter of this nasty aspect but – in Europe at least – that seems to be invoked so rarely (does anyone know of an actual case?) that it would take an unusual situation, probably involving the death of all “witnesses” except the one person who stands to make money out of pretending it was an instructional flight.
Our aircraft insurance covers Group members, and an Instructor giving training to a Group member. As the Group member logs as “Pu/t” the Instructor is P1 and a Crew Member.
(I always have my biennial flight-with-an-instructor in a school aircraft, as I’m not happy with the situation where he is much less familiar than me with the aircraft.)
Thanks, Maoraigh. My issue is not that the insurance is not effective when flying with a safety pilot or instructor, however that in the standard case the liability to other aircrew is not covered.
Replace “pilot friend” with “instructor” or “any other pilot” and the same should apply.
Standard AVN1C wording is
So if for some reason the pilot friend ceased to be a friend and decided to make claims against me in an accident (e.g. because I disregarded his/her instructions as safety pilot), then presumably I would have an uncovered liability.
Am I overthinking this?
Peter wrote:
am no insurance expert but my view is that in a single crew aircraft everybody except the PIC is a passenger.
In the US, the safety pilot during simulated IFR is PIC, as is the pilot flying the airplane. It’s one of the odd FAA rules that allow two pilots to be PIC concurrently in a single-crew airplane.
172driver wrote:
In the US, the safety pilot during simulated IFR is PIC, as is the pilot flying the airplane. It’s one of the odd FAA rules that allow two pilots to be PIC concurrently in a single-crew airplane.
I know the FAA in some cases allow two people to log PIC time, but surely only one of them actually is the PIC?