There are new DA40 ifr on controller.com, stated at around 580K$
https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/190501651/2021-diamond-da40-ng-piston-single-aircraft
DR400 IFR are a bit cheaper.
There are a ton of SR20 IFR in the used market, from 110K€. I have no idea of new but I would say more but the global package is much better than the 2 other guys. Confort, and chute are much better, but it’s running avgas…
gallois wrote:
If you add to that the cost of equipment for IFR I’m not sure how it compares with its competition, although I think in the 2 seat IFR marketplace there is only the Liberty XL and I don’t think that has a parachute.
Liberty XL: no chute, no autopilot (no AP STC neither), still good and stable platform for 2pob serious IFR at 70E/h
Am I the only one thinking such GA plane as a 2 seater ifr is just for training? Can we reasonably think of a trip without any deicing?
Actually, Liberty XL is 4pob WnB with 2pob seats, no autopilot was problematic for me in IMC though…
On de-icing it’s largely mission/pilot dependent, but I am sure it does not happen above 0C or in VMC and allmost zero concern over flat lands with 1500ft MSA
Ibra wrote:
allmost zero concern over flat lands with 1500ft MSA
In central and southern Europe, perhaps…
As @boscomantico often pointed out, the sales of these 200k+ Rotax powered 2-seaters are very low, despite the massive advertising hype.
To be fair, they are OK for VFR, which is what most GA does.
Airborne_Again wrote:
In central and southern Europe, perhaps…
Of course, it’s no brainer that de-ice increases dispatch rates and chute increases survival rates, before anyone says it: everybody considering serious IFR should get a Turbo de-iced with CAPS
Malibuflyer wrote:
The engine can fly higher, so that can’t be the limit.
The 915 is a “high pressure” injected engine. Altitude is irrelevant, even with MOGAS. But, if it is to be certified also at alt, who knows what must be done.
gallois wrote:
The reason it was supposed to be cheaper was that in the area where it is built, there are quite a few composite luxury boat builders and the aim was to use these facilities rather than building a production line from scratch. I wonder what happened.
Perhaps they learned that from a company point of view it is largely irrelevant if you have to build a production line yourself or use someone else’s. All what counts is utilization of these lines.
Yes, in the veery fortunate case that you find someone with a suitable production line that is currently not fully utilized and you can help them increase this utilization, there are cost benefits that can be shared.
But if you either utilize an oven by yourself or the ship builder has an oven that fits its capacity, there is nothing to be shared – let alone that an oven for luxury boat hulls needs to be larger than for the elixir so that it is not optimal from an energy POV.
Ibra wrote:
everybody considering serious IFR should get a Turbo de-iced with CAPSThat’s quite a ticket though. Most people here are then amateurs and below.