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Beautiful Lancair IV-P for sale in France - IFR ?

Check out this gorgeous Lancair IV-P for sale, based in Cuers, France & registered Luxembourg : (cool tail number) : LX-IOI

They are listing it as “IFR certified” …

Does anyone have a paid FlightRadar subscription to check out their flight history ?

FAA A&P/IA
LFPN

FR24 will show only Mode S and – unlike RVs – most Lancairs fly without Mode S. With Mode S, and looking at the FR24 phone app alerts, this reg has flown very little. Just a few flights in Nov 2015, March and July 2016, and I went back to mid-2015 on an old phone.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Isn’t mode S required for IFR?

LFPT, LFPN

Present status – no IFR allowed for non-certified acft in Easaland – or what?

Then there is the question of how practical a fast traveler like this is for European IFR without any de-/anti-ice at all.

Impressively low empty weight for a pressurized acft. Must be difficult to stabilize cabin pressure in a tiny cabin like this – could it be the smallest pressurized cabin in existence?

huv
EKRK, Denmark

huv wrote:

could it be the smallest pressurized cabin in existence?

No, the French Fouga Magister jet trainer had a pressurized cabin as well as many other single or tandem cockpit military planes.

FAA A&P/IA
LFPN

huv wrote:

Present status – no IFR allowed for non-certified acft in Easaland – or what?

This has been done to death. Whether the aircraft is allowed to fly IFR in general is up to the state where the aircraft is registered, as part of the non-standard CofA, permit-to-fly, or whatever paperwork they issue. Whether the aircraft is allowed to fly IFR in other countries depends on the permission granted to the aircraft by the country, which may or may not be automatic and may or may not restrict flying to IFR, depending on the whims of that county, which may or may not follow the ECAC recommendation to just allow it.

Biggin Hill

Aviathor wrote:

Isn’t mode S required for IFR?

As of today, it is in some airspace, but not generally. However, it will be generally required staring next year. (Or starting sometime mid-December this year. One of the dates is for the IFR mode S requirement and the other for the 8.33 kHz requirement. I can never remember which date is which.)

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Isn’t mode S required for IFR?

Yes – if it was flying IFR in the Eurocontrol system then it would be showing up on FR24.

However, this came up in past threads, an extremely few homebuilts actually do that. Apart from a couple of turboprops, only a few a year pop up on what are obviously IFR flights. But very few Lancairs show up on FR24 anyway… their population isn’t huge anyway but IMHO the owners just don’t use Mode S. Obviously they know about FR24.

My guess is that if this one is advertised “IFR certified” it just means that somehow its permit doesn’t have the VFR-only limitation, which means it can legally fly IFR in the few airspaces in Europe where there is no prohibition on homebuilt IFR. Many past threads on “homebuilt IFR” etc…

it is in some airspace, but not generally

That may be true but IMHO anybody who flies this type for real will need Mode S anyway, just for a reasonable geographical capability.

Anyway, LX-IOI does have a Mode S TXP (or did in 2015-26); that is a fact. And a Mode S TXP cannot be used for Mode C without Mode S getting radiated. And you do need Mode C for this type of IFR in CAS, everywhere in Europe.

In summary, IMHO, this aircraft either flies mostly non-TXP (not even Mode C, which is possible for VFR in most places) or almost never flies… just a few hours a year.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Yes – if it was flying IFR in the Eurocontrol system then it would be showing up on FR24.

I am not so sure. The one I mostly fly at work has mode S, but not ADS-B. So it does not show up on FR24.

Peter wrote:

In summary, IMHO, this aircraft either flies mostly non-TXP (not even Mode C, which is possible for VFR in most places) or almost never flies… just a few hours a year.

It was built in 2000 and has flown 900something hours since, about 50 per year on average. Maybe it simply wasn’t flown any more than FR24 shows during the last years – and this is also the reason why it is for sale?

EDDS - Stuttgart

Here ya go Took 10 seconds on google. Planecheck GTX327 Mode S.


Details

Seller is in France.

In Europe, a google on a reg usually gives you a pretty good idea of how much flying it has done. You get hits like this (which has an interesting comment about it not having been seen much at LUX, but we know that). IMHO this plane has not flown much of its 900hrs in recent 10+ years. The dates of the various spotter pics confirm that.

The one I mostly fly at work has mode S, but not ADS-B. So it does not show up on FR24.

Try the site mentioned here

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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