Maoraigh wrote:
" I am debating whether I need to re-validate my UK PPL – I will need a UK examiner signature before 31st Jan… (anyone know one in Aberdeen?)"
In case that wasn’t a rehtorical question, the CAA website has a list of AMEs, several are in/near Aberdeen. FAA medicals are also available. One is also an Examiner – at Mintlaw.
FTAOD : Im talking about a UK Flight Examiner, that can sign off my ICAO UK-PPL Revalidation page. I have a medical.
I may be mis-understanding your post, but looking up AMEs doesnt show one at Mintlaw? The UK CAA publishes a list of FEs, but only names, not where they are.
Its not the end of the world if I dont re-validate, in France I havent flown a G-Reg in about 3-4 years and I have a valid EASA PPL. Currently any EASA-Reg hours count to re-validate, so if I can get a signature without serious inconvenience and cost while Im in Aberdeen a few days next month, then great, if not, then I will let it lapse and fly on the EASA-PPL. I see it as an extra flying insurance policy type thing – you can never have too many licences!!
Regards, SD..
Peter wrote:
The UK national PPL (not the same as the NPPL) is an ICAO PPL and valid in a G reg worldwide, VFR and if you have an IR then IFR also.
That is true only for non-excepted annex I aircraft. See post 204 in the thread Brexit and general aviation, UK leaving EASA? (merged). Onwards from exit day a UK-registered annex I aircraft will be a “non–Part-21” aircraft.
When did that change?
17 Sep 2012.
Gosh… why have so many people been told to apply for the UK PPL? It’s been widely sold as a “lifetime license” i.e. much better than the EASA PPL.
So let me get this right. What is then the difference between the UK PPL and the NPPL? It sounds like both are good for G-reg only and UK only, but the former can be used worldwide but only in an Annex 1 plane.
So both are pretty useless to most people, but the owner of say an RV is better off with the former one because he can fly all over Europe, whereas the NPPL is good only for UK and France.
In the context of the optimal strategy for licensing during the transition period, this seems pointless unless you are flying an Annex 1, in which case get yourself the UK PPL (non EASA) and then that is usable immediately Europe-wide, and is “convertible”
and neither the European CAA nor the FAA (respectively) is going to realise that these are limited to Annex 1.
Have | got that right?
The UK PPL is ICAO Annex 1-compliant whereas the UK NPPL isn’t. Contracting states are required to recognise compliant licences issued by other states when held by foreign nationals and used for civil aircraft in international navigation. Articles 32 and 33 in the Chicago Convention. The UK NPPL may be used outside UK with permission from the relevant states. UK ANO 2016, sch 8 part 1 ch 3. It may also be used for a US-registered aircraft within UK. See interpretation given 15 Jun 2015 to Cliff Whittaker (UK CAA SRG) by Lorelei Peter, Deputy Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations.
The licence validity period itself has nothing to do with what privileges may be conferred by attached ratings or certificates. Other than a night rating only microlight aeroplane, SLMG, and SSEA ratings may be included in a UK NPPL(A) while an IR or IMCR and various instructor ratings may be included in a UK PPL. Going up one class, the UK CPL has embedded IMCR privileges. Until 8 Apr 2020 or earlier a UK-registered aeroplane or TMG may be flown in UK using a UK NPPL/PPL/CPL/ATPL at the Part-FCL LAPL(A or S) privilege level. See UK derogation described in ORS4 No 1309 of 12 Jul 2019 (pdf link | local copy). An overview of medical requirements is given by LAA (link).
UK Part-FCL licence holders wishing to change the state of licence issue could first apply to UK CAA for a UK licence pursuant to article 152 of the ANO however the licence would be valid only as shown in the diagrams mentioned in my last post. Note that your US-registered aircraft is a non-EASA (non–Part-21 on exit day) aircraft and as such you may operate it in a non-commercial operation in UK using a UK NPPL/PPL/CPL/ATPL—all non-Aircrew Regulation licences—in accordance with para (3)(b) of article 148 in the UK ANO until exit day whether or not you are a UK resident. On and after exit day you may do so only if you cease to be a UK (permanent) resident. However, as a UK (permanent) resident you may also use your US airman certificate on a UK-registered EASA (Part-21 on exit day) aircraft flying in a non-commercial operation in UK subject to UK general exemption E 4863 published as ORS4 No. 1301 of 29 Mar 2019 (pdf link).
A US restricted private pilot certificate may be issued on the basis of a UK PPL/CPL/ATPL (but not a UK NPPL) pursuant to 14 CFR 61.75(b)(2). That US certificate will in turn be valid until exit day, pursuant to para (3)(b) of art 148 in the ANO, when flying a US-registered aircraft in UK in a non-commercial operation.
I’ve sent a message to Skydriller.
Thanks Maoraigh, Charlie you have a message!!
I wonder how many people are in my situation: I have an UK-issued EASA ppl and my plane is Italian registered, mostly based in Italy. I understand that, as of 1st Jan, I‘m illegal to fly my plane.
I think I have 2 options:
1) move the plane into the G-reg: does anybody know if I will then need to convert my UK-issued EASA ppl into a UK PPL (non-EASA) ? I understand other EU-issued EASA licenses have two years grace period to keep flying G-reg planes.
2) convert my license into an EU-issued EASA one: does anybody know how complex this will be since I didn’t start the process before 31december (which, I understand, would have been a “simplified” process)? Any EU Country that is supposedly “easier” on this delayed process?
Thanks
Im a brit that got a JAR-PPL in the UK, but now live in France and fly mainly French registered aeroplanes: My view on this a couple of years ago was “get a UK-PPL on the basis of your UK EASA PPL then SOLI the EASA PPL to another state, so you will have both UK & EASA PPLs and will be covered for all eventualities”. That is what I did. Then last year in April the UK-PPL only became valid to fly UK Annex 1 aeroplanes, so ironically I can fly any G-Reg aeroplane with my French EASA PPL but not with my actual UK-PPL…To me this is completely nuts…What will happen in the next year or two? Who knows..??
Regards, SD..
