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What about parts exposed to low pressure but. not covered in touch skin? Lungs? Eyes? Maybe intestine parts?

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom
Antonio
LESB, Spain

This video whose link I dont seem to be able to insert is also relevant


Last Edited by Antonio at 08 Sep 20:32
Antonio
LESB, Spain

Ok, the whole body now

What I saw is nothing mich than the Chinese cupping therapy !



Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

Celera 500 passenger at top flight level:

Last Edited by EuroFlyer at 09 Sep 08:48
Safe landings !
EDLN, Germany

Maoraigh wrote:

What about parts exposed to low pressure but. not covered in touch skin? Lungs? Eyes? Maybe intestine parts?

Not much from the vacuum itself, although lung damage is possible if the decompression is sudden.

The body is mostly various bags of liquid. Liquid does not appreciably compress or expand under pressure, and the areas filled with gases tend to have links to the outside world. Think of what happens to a plastic water bottle when you climb / descend when it is full (not much), compared to when it is empty (visibly expands / gets squished).

When exposed to vacuum, volumes filled with gas and linked to the outside world will evacuate quite quickly. The body itself will not expand that much – the expansion of the “Arm in Vacuum” is more pronounced since the rest of the body is still exposed to ambient pressure, think of a water balloon being squeezed at one end, if the whole body ends up in the vacuum the tissue does not expand anything like that.

Biggin Hill

I recall, from the BSAC scuba course many years ago, that it is possible to burst lungs just in a swimming pool – an ascent of about 5m, with a deep breath at the bottom and without any exhalation on the way up, can do it. That would be 0.5 bar. I have no idea if this is true; scuba instructors are known for the occassional tale

In an aircraft, you could achieve that, going suddenly from say 6000ft cabin altitude, to FL300 (0.18 bar). However, there have been a number of accidents where a piece of the hull came off and the effects on passengers must be known.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

you can only hope it’s over quick in these cases. There have been scuba training accidents where students panicked on the bottom of an olympic pool and didn’t exhale on the way up. Not pretty.

Safe landings !
EDLN, Germany

Oxygen and carbon dioxide fixed in red corpuscles might be OK.
Carbon dioxide and nitrogen in the plasma should come out of solution and form bubbles. This will cause vapour lock. The Garmin Autoland system, if automatically deployed on decompression, will enable much physiological data to be collected after a safe landing.

Last Edited by Maoraigh at 09 Sep 19:39
Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

@Malibuflyer

A year or two ago there was an interesting article in one of the German aviation magazines on how emergency oxygen supplies have been limiting the direct route from Europe to East coast China over the Himalaya as there are extensive stretches of the route where an emergency descent would not be possible due to terrain.

Correct. It involves a bit of contingency planning using escape routes, many airlines now fly it.
Good info here https://ops.group/blog/l888-the-silk-road-airway/ and even better pictures here https://www.flickr.com/photos/mathiasortmann/albums/72157630581990930/

The view on L888 is spectacular.

Last Edited by Snoopy at 09 Sep 20:14
always learning
LO__, Austria
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