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G-LIZZ damaged at St. Mary's

No injuries, but even though one can’t see the extent of the damages, it’s easy to figure that with an old aircraft like this, it might be totalled in economical terms.

Always a pity to see an Aztec go, I really like them and they are getting more and more rare in Europe.

Would be nice to get an account from Timothy soon.

Mainz (EDFZ) & Egelsbach (EDFE), Germany

Timothy just confirmed on PPL/IR that there were no injuries.

It’s not clear whether the poor visibility, which resulted in the cancellation of all Skybus passenger flights today, was a factor.

The incident happened at 5.33pm when it appears that the privately owned Piper Aztec PA-23 aircraft overshot the runway and came to a stop on the grass adjacent to the airport access road.

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The most likely approach would be NDB Rwy 27 with an MDA of 510ft (406ft AGL). The other one is NDB Rwy 32 for which the minimum is tad higher.

As always, lots of speculation on Flyer, involving the keywords: fog, NDB minima, GPS-ILS, tailwind, AOC, cost-sharing, etc. Let’s wait it out some.

Last Edited by boscomantico at 21 Aug 07:22
Mainz (EDFZ) & Egelsbach (EDFE), Germany

Let’s keep this factual and not turn EuroGA into another “aviation pub”.

There are big “personality issues” involved between the pilot and the UK aviation chat sites and these will make the whole thing go into overdrive.

Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

I jjust talked on the phone to Timothy this morning. The issue was not the minima but a tailwind that he misjudged to be compensated by the upslope of the runway. The end of the runway seemingly doesn’t go smoothly from concrete into grass and he hit a what we call in Dutch “stoepje” at about 5 knots while rolling out. He did see the runway lights at minima for straight in, but was below circling minima. Nobody is injured and I hope we all will not speculate too much on this forum. :-)

The plane is most likely economically totalled.

EDLE, Netherlands

Which runways were used to initially approach and then to circle to?

Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

AeroPlus wrote:

The plane is most likely economically totalled.

Always a pity for a nice plane to end up like that. Then again, it will depend on how it is insured and if the money which comes out of the insurance will allow a rebuild.

I sometimes have the feeling that planes are given up on way too quickly. We have a nice Seneca II standing at ZRH airport which is “economically totalled” for the simple fact that it needs both engines overhauled, which means the total cost to do this is much higher than the hull value.

On the other hand, we had the case of a M20J which was involved in a mid air. It had a massive tear in the right hand fuel tank but was otherwise undamaged. The repair of the wing was deemed to be uneconomical such as more expensive than the total loss value the insurance paid for it. Shortly after, it was sold and apparently ferried to the new owner’s maintenance base and is now re-offered for sale following a repair and avionic upgrade. So the damage was not at all such that a repair was impossible nor particularly hard, but rather such that the extremely high workmanship costs in Central Europe did not allow it.

The damage to G-LIZZ is not very clearly visible here but from what you say he hit a wall, which probably means at least quite massive damage to the gear, props and tear down inspections to the engines. Quite probably this will indeed mean that the repair cost will be higher than the remaining hull value. It would be great it it somehow could be rescued however.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

From that news article

Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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