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Five US AOPA tips on being a safer pilot - TCAS and airborne wx is #1!

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It would be hugely controversial here in Europe that their #1 is to get TCAS and airborne wx data!

But those who have it will probably agree…

Of course here in Europe there is no airborne wx over ADS-B…

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

It would be hugely controversial here in Europe
Why would it be controversial?
Peter wrote:
here in Europe there is no airborne wx over ADS-B
That is such a pity.

ESMK, Sweden

Why would it be controversial?

The total emphasis during PPL training for keeping a lookout, but much more importantly the denial within the training system that most traffic is never spotted. Consequently most pilots are really shocked when they fly in a plane with TCAS… and that shows only those who have a transponder and have not turned it off for some nefarious reason

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

The total emphasis during PPL training for keeping a lookout, but much more importantly the denial within the training system that most traffic is never spotted.

There is also very few mid air accidents, maybe less than 1% of the total accidents. Even in the US the effect will not even be measurable with any statistical significance.

It will be like turning on the lights for sure. Towing gliders with and without a FLARM has the same effect. But gliders fly real tight, meters apart and are very difficult to spot.

This ADSB seems to me to be even more crazy than 8.33 and mode S combined.

ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

LeSving wrote:

This ADSB seems to me to be even more crazy than 8.33 and mode S combined.

But ADS-B isn’t just being done for collision avoidance. It is a complete change in the way ATC surveillance is going to take place. At least unlike mode S and 8.33 it has some spin-off benefits for GA. Although sadly these are not anywhere near as compelling for European pilots given the lack of the right bandwidth for in flight weather and a lack of resolve to try to provide it.

EGTK Oxford

We have already had plenty of ADS-B threads but IMHO ADS-B will never be mandatory for VFR OCAS in most of Europe – just as Mode S isn’t. And everybody who currently wants to be invisible (for the usual reasons… a IMHO mostly misguided sense of privacy, to operate “below the radar” because of something illegal about the plane, to be able to bust CAS from underneath, etc) will remain invisible, by turning it off.

So the usefulness of ADS-B based traffic warnings will be about the same as the usefulness of Mode S (or even Mode C) is today.

That’s unless ADS-B is made mandatory… is that happening in the USA, for all VFR OCAS?

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Posts about TXP mandatory in Norway (if installed) have been moved here

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

So the usefulness of ADS-B based traffic warnings will be about the same as the usefulness of Mode S (or even Mode C) is today.

The US rules are complex in that they apply if you want to fly in or near controlled airspace. There are also altitude limits. This summarises. Esentially above 10k feet it is mandatory IFR or VFR as class E is everywhere.

I would differ from your quote in that if you have some form of ADS-B in either tablet or installed, the traffic alerts are far better than mode S in that they have the actual GPS position of the aircraft not based on signal strength and azimuth as currently used in traffic systems.

Last Edited by JasonC at 10 Jan 11:07
EGTK Oxford

Peter wrote:

a IMHO mostly misguided sense of privacy, to operate “below the radar” because of something illegal about the plane, to be able to bust CAS from underneath, etc) will remain invisible, by turning it off.

Not at all, and it doesn’t help in the discussion to mock people who do care about privacy and don’t want to be tracked by everybody and his dog on every flight.

mh
Aufwind GmbH
EKPB, Germany

Presumably the USA solves the privacy issue using the anonymous mode of UAT.

You can’t be tracked if you radiate Mode C (except by govt agencies) yet many people here in the UK will turn off Mode C “for privacy” too. That’s not mockery; that is pure stupidity! Somebody who is that worried needs to get a Long-EZ which is reportedly popular in S American drug running due to a low radar cross-section Actually I am sure many ultralights are just as good, and can be landed in tiny fields.

Of course the problem is that those who installed Mode S (for mission capability for more hassle-free European touring) cannot have Mode C ON without Mode S being radiated… and no doubt Europe will never offer any kind of anonymous ADS-B.

How does the USA deal with the privacy issues in general, or don’t US pilots worry too much about it?

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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