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SR22 down in the Alps (Austria) D-EUFO

Also on day 1 of mountain flying: look at the terrain behind 5he ridge. If you see more and more, you’ll clear, if you see less and less (ridge obscuring) then you won’t make it

In another place the talk is of the PIC being an FI. The airplane was based in the Stuttgart area. FI’s in that region should actually know about mountain flying, so the typical cliche of a 2000 ft max pilot getting lost in the Alps is not plausible.

Someone who claims he heard the aircraft ask for transit was talking of 5500 ft.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

Mooney_Driver wrote:

In another place the talk is of the PIC being an FI. The airplane was based in the Stuttgart area. FI’s in that region

Yes, if the FI/PIC was actually the one experienced in alpine flying. Maybe it was another one.

Or maybe he was experienced and there was a technical problem? A distraction?
Or the strongest downdraft ever?
Or cfit?
Or inadvertently entered a cloud for a few seconds?
We can only speculate.

What remains is that the chance to hit a mountain is higher when flying in the alps (quel surprise). But we already knew that.

Anyone have historic data for the qnh of munich and milano for the accident time?

always learning
LO__, Austria

Snoopy wrote:

Anyone have historic data for the qnh of munich and milano for the accident time?

Practically no difference in QNH.

EDDM 181650Z 32005KT 280V360 CAVOK 26/09 Q1013 NOSIG
EDDM 181620Z 29005KT 250V340 CAVOK 26/10 Q1013 NOSIG
EDDM 181550Z 31010KT 9999 VCSH FEW070CB 24/10 Q1013 NOSIG
EDDM 181520Z 28006KT 250V320 9999 VCSH FEW070CB 26/09 Q1013 TEMPO TSRA
EDDM 181450Z 27008KT 240V300 9999 FEW070TCU 27/09 Q1013 TEMPO SHRA FEW045CB
EDDM 181420Z 26007KT 9999 FEW070TCU 26/09 Q1013 NOSIG
EDDM 181350Z 27007KT 230V310 CAVOK 27/09 Q1013 NOSIG
EDDM 181320Z 28007KT 240V340 CAVOK 26/08 Q1013 NOSIG
EDDM 181250Z 30007KT 260V340 CAVOK 26/08 Q1013 NOSIG

LIML 181750Z 06006KT 9999 FEW060 25/18 Q1012 NOSIG
LIML 181720Z 05007KT 9999 FEW040 24/18 Q1012 NOSIG
LIML 181650Z 06008KT 9999 -RA SCT060 25/17 Q1012 NOSIG
LIML 181620Z 09009KT 060V130 9999 FEW040 SCT060 28/16 Q1011 NOSIG
LIML 181550Z 07012KT 9999 FEW040 28/17 Q1012 NOSIG
LIML 181520Z 12006KT 040V150 9999 FEW040 29/15 Q1012 NOSIG
LIML 181450Z 17004KT 130V220 CAVOK 29/16 Q1011 NOSIG
LIML 181420Z 16006KT 060V220 9999 FEW040 28/16 Q1011 NOSIG
LIML 181350Z 17006KT 110V210 9999 FEW040 28/17 Q1012 NOSIG
LIML 181320Z VRB04KT 9999 FEW040 28/18 Q1012 NOSIG
LIML 181250Z 16005KT 110V230 9999 SCT040 28/18 Q1012 NOSIG

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

Could be low level in the wrong valley and then not enough room to turn around.

always learning
LO__, Austria

Assuming reasonable pilot skills, and VMC, it would have to be an awfully narrow valley to not turn an SR22 around. How wide is the valley in question?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Looks like a very wide, flat valley. Google Earth image see link below, crash site close to the Meilerhütte:

https://goo.gl/maps/HR64ye8g2hx7qSqo7

[ link replaced with google “share” link, to eliminate dodgy characters ]

I am not sure of those coordinates worked (the google URL contains characters which are probably illegal in a URL) but would this arrow show their flight path?

Google Earth shows the lie of the land differently

47°24’54.37" N 11°08’20.73" E ought to take you there

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Don’t know but the crash site is reported close to the Meilerhütte. As you can see, there’s lower terrain beyond that ridge, so this was probably the last ridge to cross for them. If your flightpath is correct, then they should have had ample space to turn around.

If I remember some pictures, the crash site is opposite the hut in a pretty steep wall.

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland
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