airways wrote:
I must say it sounds like the colleagues at ELLX are maybe a bit too strict about it.
I never had that problem at ELLX, more like LBSF, LKPR, …
airways wrote:
You can always wait it out at an intersection with the engine running if needed.
That’s explicitly not welcome at ELLX for small GA, and written in the AIP. They want us to be ready for departure on reaching the intersection. But again, that doesn’t bother me, we just do all our checks before taxi, and I just ask for taxi at a time compatible with my CTOT. And they never, ever deny me a startup clearance at ELLX.
It seems to vary, according to local arrangements
Every airport has its average taxitime defined. Eg EBBR is around 15’ whereas EBAW is 5’.
I must say it sounds like the colleagues at ELLX are maybe a bit too strict about it. You can always wait it out at an intersection with the engine running if needed.
Thank you all for your input !
I will stick to my handheld radio for now :)
JasonC wrote:
Not really as a matter of standard procedure.
You may be lucky and get called by someone else 
Obviously, ATC should have it in the FPL 
The two times I heard phone numbers exchanged on RT was airliner pilot deviation from clearance and missed payment for a grass strip landing
denopa wrote:
You can give your mobile number to the controller to call you back on when he’s got your start clearance.
Not really as a matter of standard procedure.
You can give your mobile number to the controller to call you back on when he’s got your start clearance.
boscomantico wrote:
Still, since having AR (and thus always having the latest ATFCM and DPI Information at hand) I have never had a single case of a) where my startup request wasn’t immediately granted.
I have, flying out of LFOT Tours. I normally startup and then call for startup clearance when ready to taxi (no ground clearance switch). In this case, when I called the tower, they said that it would be about a 5-10 wait for startup clearance…. oh sh1t ! While I was considering how to handle that (if I powered down, I couldn’t receive their startup clearance unless I left the avionics on and running down my battery for an expected 10 minutes), they came back to me after about 30-60 seconds with the startup clearance.
Don‘t worry. Experiences vary. I have never, in any country of Europe, Once I had started up, been hassled by ATC to „get going“, when there was no CTOT.
And when there was a CTOT, I have never had a case where the time between earliest possible startup time and the latest possible takeoff time, was not enough to get ready without hassle.
A-CDM airports are certainly a bit of a different topic, but there are only few of them, and most of them are not attractive for light GA anyway.
I fortunately have ground clearance power, but as VFR only it’s not as important yet.
However it has been useful as I have had a couple of scenarios happen to me recently.
1. The flightplan wasn’t available (for whatever reason, and We had to re file)
2. There was an aircraft locally (airborne) with an issue, and they wanted to give him a little time to sort/return (If We were in a hurry, I’m sure we could have negotiated but were happy to wait).
I can empathise with Lionel, as when I’m on anything more than a ‘burger run’ I do need time to prep the a/c how I want it, and I always seem to take longer than those around me.
If I rush you can be sure I’ll forget something. Usually nothing much, but something.
So this ‘timeline’ may be something that I notice when I have an IR.
It seems to vary, according to local arrangements, but it likely to be around filed EOBT minus 10 minutes. Whatever it is, it can be totally impossible to get a startup approved before that.
@airways @atmilatos @gallois @caba and others may know more.
