No SID after a low approach @ EDDG and EDLV

What did he expect you to do instead? Fly the published missed approach procedure?

The standard on a low approach is flying the published missed approach procedure unless given other instructions. German controllers have had the bad habit/SOP of requiring someone to fly a SID rather than the published missed approach, which is often a pain to set up in the FMS and requires quite a few steps to get right during the critical phase of an approach. Various people have complained and have pushed DFS to change to the generally accepted standard of flying the published missed approach procedure instead.

It sounds like they are following this now – why do you want to fly a SID after an approach?

Bobo wrote:

Thanks! Why the SID? Just for practice. Indeed, you need to fly the missed approach procedure now. It’s fine, but I was just wondering why they changed this.

I suspect the explanation I gave above is likely the answer but I suggest you call the Wachleiter (ATC Supervisor) if you want to confirm/discuss that.

Bobo wrote:

but I was just wondering why they changed this.

Because pilots (i.e. we!) were heavily and finally successfully lobbying for stopping the practice of clearing for a SID after approach

No SID after low approach. We’re all quite thankful they give us the missed approach now.

finally successfully lobbying for stopping the practice of clearing for a SID after approach

Who and when was lobbying? I’ve never heard of anybody being even expected to fly a SID after going around. You always fly the official published missed approach, or another missed approach which ATC read out to you while you are going down the IAP.

For training, you could always request it, but you would be working like a one armed bandit to load the SID while keeping the thing going straight when climbing at full power. If I was doing this I would load the SID as a new flight plan, while flying the approach, but that can be done only with an ILS or similar; it can’t be done with a GPS approach.

Peter wrote:

Who and when was lobbying?

AOPA, etc. basically the entire community.

It was a special German thing that for practice approaches and check flights (so basically any “planned go around”) ATC cleared you on a SID instead of the MAP.
ATC claimed to do it for noise abatement (and reduction of workload on their side) and argued they have the right to do so as there is no such thing as a “planned missed approach” in the respective regulations so it is a favor they do to you to allow such flights at all.
As most often with German authorities: They were very remote from actual life but if you take the rules by the letters not wrong. You actually can’t file a missed approach in an IFR flight plan as the only planned way to get away from an airport under IFR is the SID.

But as you write: It is something quite difficult to do with most avionics (basically the instructor or checker has to do the reprogramming that is quite of not fulfilling the purpose) and it is training something that would never happen in real life (as you fly the MAP in real life in cased of a missed).

Peter wrote:

If I was doing this I would load the SID as a new flight plan, while flying the approach, but that can be done only with an ILS or similar; it can’t be done with a GPS approach.

As German IR pilots we developed a little bit of proficiency with that. Best way to do it with most navigators is to add the destination airport at the very beginning of your flight plan while in cruise and load the SID there. Then you have to “only” jump at the beginning of the plan to fly the SID and can clean up the plan during hold…