I agree, as I wrote elsewhere regarding all these drone trials popping up:
Its alot harder to sell the general public that what drones are about is cheap 24/7 surveilance (possibly, or even probably, of them) than it is to wax lyrical about delivering “essential medical supplies” during a global pandemic where medical services have been promoted to saint-like endevours…
LeSving wrote:
The only thing we can do is to mount ADSB-in/out, hook it up to SD, then mount a couple of AK-47 under the wings and kill them before they kill us Joking of course, but there is a lot of truth in it. Someone is bound to be killed with swarms of drones popping up and those regs, and it’s not the drone pilots that will be killed.
I always thought that the fact that we’re not allowed to mount AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles , IRIS-T or at least a Mauser BK-27 (only 100 kg!) on our PA-28’s, C182 etc. is an infringement of our essential rights ;)
MedEwok wrote:
at least a Mauser BK-27 (only 100 kg!)
True! There’s just one small downside: It fires it’s rounds (500gr each) at about 1000 shots per minute – 500kg of rounds per minute doesn’t provide for very long fun given the MTOW of a PA-28 …. ;-)
This UK CAA iniative, taken together with other CAA “emissions”, is generally believed to be wholly driven as a CAA CYA exercise for future drone activity in Class G.
On the plus side, drones usually have no need to fly higher than the obstacles, so a few hundred feet is plenty. So to avoid them is the same strategy as avoiding all the other “invisible” flying objects in GA, and it involves flying at well above 2000ft 
Malibuflyer wrote:
It fires it’s rounds (500gr each) at about 1000 shots per minute – 500kg of rounds per minute doesn’t provide for very long fun given the MTOW of a PA-28 …. ;-)
Gotta make the 50 shots you can carry count then :)
Peter wrote:
On the plus side, drones usually have no need to fly higher than the obstacles, so a few hundred feet is plenty. So to avoid them is the same strategy as avoiding all the other “invisible” flying objects in GA, and it involves flying at well above 2000ft
Sounds about right for the scenario LeSving is worried about.
What is the muzzle velocity? If it is the speed of sound, the PA28 will fly backwards before it rund out of ammo…
Cobalt wrote:
the PA28 will fly backwards before it rund out of ammo…
They made that joke with A10 thunderbolt but stopped with going slow to stall rather than backward
It’s also bad if you go faster !
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/04/dutch-f-16-takes-cannon-fire-from-itself/
Latest in Scotland. Nothing like the consultation proposal, but makes more sense.
BBC News – Covid in Scotland: Drones to carry Covid samples
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-56154503
It’s also bad if you go faster !
Reading that article, I cannot see how this is possible, if firing at a ground target, other than by firing a burst, and then diving down before levelling off.
The shells are doing mach3 which is about 5x faster than the F16 would have been doing at the time.
Peter wrote:
The shells are doing mach3 which is about 5x faster than the F16 would have been doing at the time
Yes true the are are going March3+ otherwise there is no way you can shoot SU27 or Mirage F1 doing Mach2.2 on a dog fight, if such thing exit these days
Shells will slowdown at some point even when firing to ground targets, F16 will not unless throttling back on F100/F110 behind it…
I doubt gravity or orientation sky/ground matters when speeds are beyond 250kts (or whatever max speed of shells in freefall)
Coriolis and gyro force from earth/shell rotation at Mach3+ speeds is as important as weight ground pull (there are jokes about the Navy being crap in shooting in the Southern Hemisphere but it’s a myth )
