I would like to try out flying VFR in Germany at FL100+ (Airspace Charlie).
And do I need a VFR flight plan for this?
Just ask Information for higher. You get given the Radar frequency to call. It’s really easy and normal flight plan rules apply.
Either ways to join will work, if situation permits such.
Both are possible, either request via FIS or directly from Radar (frequencies are in GEN 3-10).
Once you are a controlled flight, there is no „other“ airspace for you for worry about. But: it still makes sense to be aware of which military airspaces (ED-Rs and TRAs) there are up there and whether they are active, to avoid requesting routing that can‘t be approved anyway. Use Skydemon for that.
No prefiled flightplan is required for airspace C in Germany (of course, your request will factually „create“ one on the spot). Some people have speculated that having prefiled a flightplan makes things more likely to happen, but that is just speculation. Nowadays, the German FIS has access to all VFR flightplans.
Your chances are normally good, unless you request a route whixh is ovbviously problematic. Recently however, with the enornous staff shortages everywhere, a lot of airspace C clearsnce requests have been flat out denied by ATC, so never fully rely on receiving such clearance.
MichaLSA wrote:
Do not forget to fill in ‘/RMK VFR flight request above FL100’,
Is it not enough to file a flight level above FL100? That would show your intentions just as well and uses only standard fields of the flight plan.
Airborne_Again wrote:
Is it not enough to file a flight level above FL100? That would show your intentions just as well and uses only standard fields of the flight plan.
From my experience, No, if shit hits fan, it is not sufficient to just file above FL100. Using /RMK documents your awareness of the clearance needed to go above FL100. I sometimes even add the planned timestamp for entering as well. Unfortunately, we do not have the necessary positive or non punishing error culture in all of Europe, in case if. Specific: risk is not zero a pilot mistakenly takes such an accepted FPL as clearance to enter the FL >100.
OK, so what I will try to do is:
Start without fpl, check in on Info, request climb FL105, be flexible on routing. If it doesn’t work then no big deal, I can do the flight in airspace E. Maybe not the highest likelihood of being successful but if I understand correctly should be possible in principle, ATC workload permitting.
I’m IFR certified and proficient, so phraseology shouldn’t be a problem.
Will report back how it went.
HBadger wrote:
I’m IFR certified and proficient, so phraseology shouldn’t be a problem.
Small hint, when you request climb FL >100, proactively tell you are IFR rated – increases probability to be accepted in tighter situations.
Good hint, thanks.
request climb FL105
ATC hate that in Charlie as they separate VFR/IFR: they lose two levels for IFR with only FL130 & FL90 being available for 1000ft separation, if you request FL110 they can put IFR at FL100 & FL120