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Bird strike (Spain)

Neil well spotted, got fooled by Patrick’s avatar picture, and I guess Pawnees are quite rare on the rental market.

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

I don’t really see any problem in flying some more hours with that dent. Even more knowing that the structure has been now inspected by two trained mechanics.

Anecdote: when I was doing my PPL, one day I was waiting for the school’s C-150 to arrive. A pair of CPL students have left eairlier that day to do some crosscountry flying and they were late. When the arrived, they apologized for the delay, and told me that the have hit the fuel truck with one wingtip in some other airport while taxiing, so they spent some time there thinking wether it was safe to fly back during almost 3 hours or not. Then I looked at the wing in astonishment, noticing a clear swept back in the Cessna should-be-straight wing…

LECU - Madrid, Spain

Thirty three years ago I learned to fly in a C150 which had several small dents in the leading edges of both wings, apparently as a result of minor bumps, hangar rash and perhaps bird strikes. It flew normally, and as a student I wouldn’t have known whether stall behaviour was unusual anyway.

A couple of years ago I came across the same aeroplane which had just flown into an airfield I was visiting.

Most of the dents were still there….

Egnm, United Kingdom

As much as it may be fine, I doubt it is legal unless signed off by an authorised EASA (assuming European reg) engineer. Did the guys at the airport sign your tech and say you are good to go with a release to service?

EGTK Oxford

Neil wrote:

Isn’t this an un-strutted Piper?

Yes.

Last Edited by Patrick at 12 May 20:46
Hungriger Wolf (EDHF), Germany

RobertL18C wrote:

In sympathy with Jacko’s comment, the strutted Cessna wing has excellent in service history and I can think of several examples with modest bird strike dents which were OK’d after checking, as your friendly engineers have done for you.

Isn’t this an un-strutted Piper?

Darley Moor, Gamston (UK)

In sympathy with Jacko’s comment, the strutted Cessna wing has excellent in service history and I can think of several examples with modest bird strike dents which were OK’d after checking, as your friendly engineers have done for you.

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

I used to fly a GA type twin around commercially doing various bits and bobs, one of which was a cargo run at night. One night when one of the other guys was flying the cargo delivery truck reversed into the stabilator leaving a dent very similar to this one. Our engineers had a look at it and said it was fine and would be repaired at the next scheduled mx, however when flying the next night the aircraft was ramp checked in none home country, and was ‘grounded’ in a strange way by that countries inspectors who essentially said ‘we won’t ground you here, we will let you continue your flight back to your home country (which did NOT coincide with home base) but then please send us a scan of the tech log entry’.

So basically then after completing the next leg the aircraft was grounded and we had to ferry over engineers and parts to fix it.

United Kingdom

I have to admit, that I wouldn’t have thought there was much of a problem. The plane flew fine afterwards, and as it was an airborne incident, it was free to turn on impact (to absort the impact and minimise any damage). That’s very different to a ground incident where the landing gear creates a resistence to turning.

But in the end, even if you’re happy to depart, it will be the club’s engineer’s call. I’d call them (as you have) and ask advice. They say “good to go” then I’d go. They say “No way. Need to get it fixed” then that’s what you have to do.

EIWT Weston, Ireland

Thanks all for the (mostly ) unanimous advice but certainly for differing opinions, too.

Turns out today was a bit of a lucky day: I walked to the airfield early in the morning (btw, more details in the trip report to come, but Castello LECN is very, very recommended. The strip is literally almost on the beach, very nice scenery, some hotels and restaurants nearby. I’m paying 23 EUR/night for a room with A/C, TV and with a view of the promenade and the beach, which is 50-100 m away. But I’m digressing). There are no mechanicos at the field, but just as I was asking around, an SUV with two Diamond/Piper mechanics pulled up who are now here for two days to do maintenance on a Seneca that is based here. They were so nice to inspect the damage with me. We had a view inside the wing from both sides through the access holes. The rib looks fine. The guy then tried to straighten the dent from the inside with his thumb and the curved handle of a screwdriver. This worked pretty okay. There is still a dent, obviously, but much less than before. I tried to capture the result on a photo but that seems not to work so well: On the photo, it looks unchanged to yesterday. But pending the opinion of the operating aeroclub’s mechanic in Paderborn, who I sent the photos to for review, I think I’m good to go once the thunderstorms in the south are no factor anymore.

Hungriger Wolf (EDHF), Germany
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