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Cancelling IFR - a "bilateral" thing?

Sure there is a long history of airport units disliking or prohibiting IFR cancellation – because VFR gets around all kinds of issues Cannes LFMD did that for years but it isn’t notamed currently (maybe in the AIP).

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Pirho wrote:

I used to fly both IFR and VFR around class E and I know that the controllers absolutely hated it (and I believe successfully campaigned to get it changed to class D). They used to treat the class E as if it was class D (or even C) as far as they reasonably could.

What exactly did they “hate”? Doing their job? Obviously most of the world’s GA operates most of the time in Class E without any problems.

Peter wrote:

because VFR gets around all kinds of issues Cannes LFMD did that for years but it isn’t notamed currently

That’s during high season (ie summer at Cannes) for ATFCM purposes.

You will find similar NOTAM at Annecy or Chambery now. Because that’s their high season (ie winter ski).

Silvaire wrote:

What exactly did they “hate”? Doing their job? Obviously most of the world’s GA operates most of the time in Class E without any problems.

They hated it because the whole area’s airspace was atrociously designed and allowed aircraft to fly in class E without any clearance right in the way of where IFR traffic was being vectored, the allocated class D was not properly sufficient to protect approaches on one side of the airport whereas it was on the other, the complex (badly designed) airspace also led to many technical infringements from aircraft thinking they were in class E and straying without a clearance into class D because it is/was very unclear where which bit of airspace started and stopped where. We are talking about a region here which has an commercial IFR airport (alveit a small one) that has absolutely no controlled airspace until a few miles west of it across a border a different authority grants it a few triangular pieces.

Last Edited by Pirho at 19 Feb 23:38

This is funny… normally, one sees this the other way round, controlled airspace or restricted areas abruptly ending at a country of FIR boundary.

Interesting to note that, based on actual accident history, both the “controlled airspace” and “voluntary ATC in Class G airspace” seem to produce roughly the same level of safety for these small-ish airports

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