I do not think such a map is particularly useful in practice because of all the restrictions in customs hours that apply to each of the airports. In order to make the map useful I think one would need to categorise the airports by level of restrictions or neable some kind of filtering mechanism
You could however have in green all the “at all possible” airports, and then a popup box telling you the gotchas.
Keep it simple.
In the AIP there is just the little bit and that could be used literally; screen captured and popped up e.g.
If somebody cannot read that, they should not be flying a plane.
Aviathor wrote:
I do not think such a map is particularly useful in practice because of all the restrictions in customs hours that apply to each of the airports.
I think it’s useful in the sense that it provides you with a map representation of potential ports of entry for a first pick. It does not relieve you from checking the airfield details once you have picked one and maybe you need to choose another after finding out the first one does not meet your criteria.
That’s what it said previously as well. The possibility to pass customs at Annemasse has never been withdrawn.
You are right. It has changed, but only inasmuch as the Customs contact telephone and fax numbers have been removed. And yes, it seems that Customs facilities were never withdrawn, but as of 13.4.2017 Annemasse is no longer a Schengen border crossing point.
The lists of Schengen border crossing points are published from time to time in the official journal of the Union. The current French list is here=.
In effect, it seems that Customs facilities are more or less reliably published in the AIP, and/or NOTAM, but for Schengen crossing points we have to trawl through the EU OJ. Freude, freude…
A list of French customs airports has just been published here .
No, that’s the list of French border crossing points, i.e. for clearing immigration into or out of Schengen.
Not willing to question your insight and knowledge, but still: the closing parapgraph states who is to implement this list, and the head of customs (“le directeur général des douanes et impots indirects”) is mentioned, too. So doesn’t that imply that the named fields should (at one time) have both immigration and customs? It is however not implied such is the case as of today.
There are of course many aerodromes where both is possible, but they are not the same things.
The above list is about the “points de passage frontaliers”, which is defined as
tout point de passage au sens de l’article 2-8 du code des frontières Schengen, figurant sur la liste publiée au Journal Officiel de l’Union européenne établie par le ministre chargé de l’immigration en ce qui concerne la France, et par lequel est autorisé le franchissement des frontières extérieures de l’espace Schengen par les personnes
This new arrêté nicely distinguishes between the two (chapter II vs. chapter III). Chapter III (about customs) says:
La liste des aéroports internationaux de l’Union est établie et mise à jour par le ministre chargé des douanes, après concertation interministérielle et en accord avec le ministre de la défense pour les aérodromes dont l’affectataire principal est le ministère de la défense.
Elle est notifiée à la Commission européenne.
Elle est publiée sur le site du service de l’information aéronautique ( http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr)
but nothing has appeared so far.
There are, for a fact, several airfileds that are no “point de passage frontarlier” amymore, but are still customs airfelds, particularly along the Swiss border.
boscomantico wrote:
but nothing has appeared so far.
Is that what you are looking for?
Point de Passage frontarlier list 2.November 2017
boscomantico wrote:
There are, for a fact, several airfileds that are no “point de passage frontarlier” amymore, but are still customs airfelds, particularly along the Swiss border.
Yes and I wonder how these can be found… they are not included in this list.