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A bike / scooter to carry in the back of the plane (including electric ones)?

A foldable electric tandem. That’s an interesting proposition.🙂

France

Again, the question due to the assumed advantages of lesser total weight: Anything in this personal transportation category that carries two, legally? Scooters could – at least I see these rental ones used this way all the time, even with three adolescents – but according to that website, they’re not allowed.
The best bet is probably a foldable bike (maybe electrically assisted) which carries two – should be legal everywhere.

Berlin, Germany

arj1 wrote:

Not in the UK, I think

That is indeed what https://www.evz.de/en/reisen-verkehr/e-mobilitaet/zweiraeder/e-scooter-regulations-in-europe.html and https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/powered-transporters/information-sheet-guidance-on-powered-transporters say.

“As usual” the UK is the exception…

Malta is also complicated, the scooter must be individually approved, costs only 10 EUR but must be done.

Last Edited by lionel at 31 Oct 14:06
ELLX

lionel wrote:

I can’t see how they are legal to drive on public roads?

Well, they are, the laws have been adapted.

Not in the UK, I think, unless it is power-assisted bike up to 25km/h.

EGTR

In Europe, an e-bike (Pedelec 25: motor assistance up to 25 km/h, motor power maximum 250W, etc) is covered by the same regulations as a purely muscle-powered pedal bike; I think that’s an EU regulation. So it is legal where a muscle-powered bike is, possibly with the exception of very local regulations (like a city can make an ordinance that forbids e-Bikes on a particular street or so).

A Pedelec 40 (motor assistance up to 40 km/h, more powerful motor) is regulated as a moped.

EUCs, e-scooters, etc are regulated by national rules, so the rules differ by country.. There is an overview for e-scooters at https://www.evz.de/en/reisen-verkehr/e-mobilitaet/zweiraeder/e-scooter-regulations-in-europe.html

Mooney_Driver wrote:

I can’t see how they are legal to drive on public roads?

Well, they are, the laws have been adapted.

Last Edited by lionel at 31 Oct 13:12
ELLX

Can you actually drive one of those things, e-bikes, scooters, without a licence anywhere?

And how can you actually use e-scooters legally? They are motorized, so they are illegal in pedestrian zones and sidewalks, but I can’t see how they are legal to drive on public roads?

I also keep seing Americans who order chinese cars and bikes e.t.c by Amazon or Ali and drive around in the US? That is unthinkable in Europe, without MOT/TÜF/MFK e.t.c. so how is this in the US? Can you simply drive any contraption you can think of?

LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland

vmc-on-top wrote:

Anyone tried these? Lightweight, good range and fast!

It looks very similar to the E-Twow GT; I have a first-generation E-Twow GT, and I’m rather happy with it as scooters go. However, I now rather use a foldable electric bicycle.

ELLX

@Inkognito, absolutely. We, bikers, are at the mercy of us, car drivers. In my country we have a fresh new law, that cars can pass bikes only with 1.5m or more lateral distance. This made the drivers more aware of bikers and most drivers really do obey this law. Good.

As to legality of EUC, that differs country to country. In Germany or Netherlands EUCs are banned and the ban is strongly enforced (as far as I heard). In my country EUCs are probably still below the radar of our legal machinery, and if something is not illegal, then it is allowed. Thus, as there is nothing to enforce, our police does what it is supposed to do, to help and to support (my personal experience).

Anyone tried these? Lightweight, good range and fast!

https://uk.fluidfreeride.com/products/fluid-mosquito

dublinpilot wrote:

Mine is a reasonable and well known brand. Xiaomi.

Is it this one?

https://mi-store.ch/p/Xiaomi-Mi-Smart-E-Bike-zum-Klappen-6934177711145

Looks really neat and as a Xiaomi “fan” I’d love to look into it.

They appear also to have pretty neat and cheap scooters.

Edit: just seen, none of the Xiaomi products work for me as they are limited to 100kg total driving weight. So anyone over 80 kgs approx can’t use them. Shame.

Last Edited by Mooney_Driver at 30 Oct 08:37
LSZH(work) LSZF (GA base), Switzerland
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