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Now official: JAA/EASA ATPL theory is largely garbage

“Only” the ATPL theory exams – no additional ones for the PPL

Germany

What are the exams the candidate sits on that course?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Do they do a CPL/IR from zero i.e. without a PPL?

Yes if it is an integrated course

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

I thought most commercial FTOs are training the 14 “ATPL” exams (is now 13, from above) and a CPL/IR and that is the “frozen ATPL”.

Do they do a CPL/IR from zero i.e. without a PPL?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Those are ab initio courses so a PPL is neither required nor acquired.

London, United Kingdom

Qalupalik wrote:

Yes however enrolment in an ATPL theory course requires an ICAO PPL.

How does that work in integrated training for the CPL/IR or the MPL?

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Yes however enrolment in an ATPL theory course requires an ICAO PPL. There are now 13 ATPL exams.

FCL.035 Crediting of flight time and theoretical knowledge

(b) Crediting of theoretical knowledge

(1) An applicant having passed the theoretical knowledge examination
for an airline transport pilot licence shall be credited with the
theoretical knowledge requirements for the light aircraft pilot
licence, the private pilot licence, the commercial pilot licence and,
except in the case of helicopters, the IR and the EIR in the same
category of aircraft.

London, United Kingdom

Funny Q: does the 14-exam EASA ATPL set cover an ab initio PPL too?

If not, those FTO students who have never even flown a kite, would be doing 9+14 exams.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

An ex-RAF friend said many parts of his ATPL theory were similar to the Central Flying School theory, which is available on gov.uk. I’ve not read either so can’t really compare or judge.

EGHO-LFQF-KCLW, United Kingdom

LeSving wrote:

They do in Tromsø as well. You can get a bachelor or master (I think) in “Aviation”. Flying is a part of it. I don’t know how exactly it works, but what you get in the end is an ATPL and other stuff. Even if you should lose your medical, you still would be considered “interesting” in the aviation business.

Lund University also gives a complete commercial pilot programme which earns the student an MPL including internship as first officer with an airline. That is distinct from the ATPL theory programme I mentioned.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden
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