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I think the 80% CV19 job subsidy is just too good for many. We have tried about 20 builders for a trivial retaining wall, with basically no luck. Most of them take the 80% and work for cash, prob90.

There are lots of print shops which will do a simple printing and binding job. There is a machine (probably old now) called a Docutech which at one end takes in your PDF, and some trees, and chucks out the booklets at the other end. The result is “ok” if you take care to produce a high resolution PDF.

What I found much more difficult was some way of printing out a checklist, with the thumb tabs. I ended up printing the pages, laminating them, and cutting out the tabs with a knife.

Pan Ops? A real pilot will print out FAA TERPS

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Snoopy wrote:

Where did you get the latest Pans Ops?

From here: https://www.bazl.admin.ch/bazl/en/home/specialists/regulations-and-guidelines/legislation-and-directives/anhaenge-zur-konvention-der-internationalen-zivilluftfahrtorgani.html

See bottom of the page.

Quite a bit of the document was restructured and reworded and is therefore easier to read. Also, they have split various items out of volume 1 into a new volume 3. (Volume 2 remains to be the very technical document with details for procedure designers).

Pan Ops? A real pilot will print out FAA TERPS

I don’t need to print the FAA TERPS as that is the detailed document for procedure designers rather than procedure users. The procedure usage is reasonably well-described in the AIM which is available as a printed document. And the relevant AIM sections are easier to read than PANS-OPS Volume 1.

The curious part is that most other relevant ICAO annexes and operations documents have been transposed into European law, such as Annex 2 (Rules of the Air) or PANS-ATM, but PANS-OPS hasn’t as far as I can tell.

EGTF, EGLK, United Kingdom

Actually I should have read your post more carefully and realised it was for a single copy. I suspect this may account for the problems in that far fewer printers would be that interested in one off single run jobs. I suspect it will be cheaper to DIY.

wbardorf wrote:

I don’t need to print the FAA TERPS as that is the detailed document for procedure designers rather than procedure users. The procedure usage is reasonably well-described in the AIM which is available as a printed document. And the relevant AIM sections are easier to read than PANS-OPS Volume 1.

Also — more importantly — TERPS and PANS-OPS are not exchangeable. TERPS describes FAA procedure design while PANS-OPS describes ICAO procedure design, which are not the same. (Although obviously very similar.)

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden
ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Airborne_Again wrote:

Also — more importantly — TERPS and PANS-OPS are not exchangeable. TERPS describes FAA procedure design while PANS-OPS describes ICAO procedure design, which are not the same. (Although obviously very similar.)

Yes, exactly the reason for having access to PANS-OPS Vol. 1 is so important and therefore inexcusable that ICAO makes the document available only for US$330 although the Swiss CAA fortunately make it (alongside other documents) available for free. The Jeppesen General Airway Manual (latest version available at http://cockpitdata.com/Category/Aviation%20Documents) has the most relevant excerpts out of PANS-OPS and other relevant ICAO documents.

Good summaries of the differences are shown here: https://www.peter-ftp.co.uk/aviation/misc-euroga/TERPS%20versus%20PANS-OPS%20Differences%20-%20Guy%20D%20Gribble.pdf (hosted on Peter’s server) and https://www.code7700.com/us_versus_icao.htm, with information on course reversals at https://www.code7700.com/course_reversals.htm being particularly interesting and important.

EGTF, EGLK, United Kingdom

Fuji_Abound wrote:

I suspect it will be cheaper to DIY.

You are very likely right except that my binding machine is broken!

I was surprised by how quick Printpond were, I ordered the print yesterday and received it in the post this morning. Good quality print – can definitely recommend.

Last Edited by wbardorf at 19 Nov 14:10
EGTF, EGLK, United Kingdom

My comment about real pilots printing out TERPS was a joke

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

My comment about real pilots printing out TERPS was a joke

No worries, it was understood like that

EGTF, EGLK, United Kingdom

Apologies, I missed the special requirement of 205 pages B/W and 6 colour and thermal binding. I see you solved it with printpond, will bear them in mind for future.
I used doxzoo to print out a lot of my training materials and safety sense leaflets, etc. On a related note. I needed to do a currency flight in the last week and achieved the trifecta of zone transit luton + stansted + southend in the same flight. Had I been a bit more ambitious, I should have tacked gatwick and ascot→burnham onto that …

Last Edited by matthew_gbr at 19 Nov 15:43
EGL*, United Kingdom
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