I am in the process of negotiating the purchase of a Socata TB-10 located in Romania (I am in NL), and I am trying to understand the right steps and sequencing. This is my first purchase, and while I’ve done lots of research I am unsure whether I have everything right in my head. My presumed path is as follows:
Do I have the steps right, or am I missing something (or do I have the order wrong)? Really appreciate any help!
I think there is no need for item 7 “Declare with customs agent”. It is an intra EU transaction, the same as me in Ireland buying an aeroplane in France.
I have good contact in Romania, he bought an aeroplane off me in 2011, it was the second one I ever sold and I delivered it to his maintenance organisation in LRBS in Bucharest. He was the go-to guy in Romania. I could probably hook you up with him.
Thanks a lot for your reply. It would be super helpful to get your Romanian contact.
Is it possible that the customs declaration is required in NL but not elsewhere? I called ILenT (the Dutch authority that handles aircraft registration), and they specifically said I needed to do this. Either way it’s only 150 euros or so, so I won’t lose sleep over it. The bigger question for me now is whether I actually need step 4? Can I just take the bill of sale or contract and register it in NL, or must I first transfer ownership and get a Romanian title, then use that to get a Dutch title? Obviously I have no idea how intra-EU aircraft titles work!
To register a plane in France, I am pretty sure you must bring a registration license with your name on it. So you have to change the ownership of the plane before importing it.
I would add :
step 0 : study all documents available on the plane before making the physical inspection
And after the inspection, update your budget for the upgrades you will want and the reserve needed if you later find worms in the can.
dutch_flyer wrote:
Is it possible that the customs declaration is required in NL but not elsewhere? I called ILenT (the Dutch authority that handles aircraft registration), and they specifically said I needed to do this. Either way it’s only 150 euros or so, so I won’t lose sleep over it.
I am not sure what purpose it would serve to involve said customs agent, there is no duty applicable. For the purposes of VAT your transaction will likely fall into one of three categories:
- Seller is a private non VAT registered person and there would be no VAT on the sale of used goods between two private persons
- Seller is a VAT registered entity who will you have to charge a private buyer VAT and give you a VAT inclusive invoice
- Seller is a dealer who is VAT registered using a margin scheme where he will give a private buyer an inclusive invoice with a VAT margin element included
For the purposes of the registration of your aircraft, I couldn’t see why the paperwork for the sale would not be sufficient for your Dutch authority but if you need to comply with some local rules, then that’s really up to you to figure out.
It can be preferable to take the aircraft into your name on the foreign register and then you cancel it as exported to your home country in your own time. The reason being is you are the last owner in the eyes of the authority on the register where you want to place it. I’ve seen it done both ways but if I was buying it, and I buy stuff all the time, this is the way I would be doing it. We had a guy cancel a Navajo off the G-reg (we told him not) to and it took him a month to convince his authority that he was the new owner and entitled to register it.
Jujupilote wrote:
step 0 : study all documents available on the plane before making the physical inspection
And after the inspection, update your budget for the upgrades you will want and the reserve needed if you later find worms in the can.
Believe me I’ve got quite the spreadsheet and plenty of quotes already for this stuff, but thanks for the tip!
WilliamF wrote:
It can be preferable to take the aircraft into your name on the foreign register and then you cancel it as exported to your home country in your own time. The reason being is you are the last owner in the eyes of the authority on the register where you want to place it.
This is what I was thinking as well, so thanks for confirming. I presume I can go to pick up the airplane, mail off for the new registration, and still legally fly it back, right?
WilliamF wrote:
I am not sure what purpose it would serve to involve said customs agent, there is no duty applicable.
In my experience, which was moving an aircraft out off the Dutch register into the Luxembourg register:
A few notes:
QuoteThe bigger question for me now is whether I actually need step 4?
In my experience this step isn’t necessary and may actually not even be possible with some registries… Eg. Bulgaria or Slovakia register aircraft owned by thier citizens or locally registered entities only.
I would expect that your CAA would be able to provide instructions/checklist of documents for the process. In my experience (Czech CAA) it was as follows:
1. Application for the preliminary registration and aircraft address
2. Application for registration into aircraft register, where you need to provide a proof of ownerhisp (purchase agreement) and a proof that the aircraft was deregistered in Romania
3. Issuance of CofA (likely shorter process if the airplane has a valid ARC)
The Czech CAA has been very helpful so although it looked overwhelming initially it is actually reasonably manageable.
If I first deregister the aircraft before registering in NL, am I legally able to fly it home? Won’t it be in limbo from a reg perspective? I would note that the reg documents for the Romanian CAA have an indication for nationality, which would seem to indicate that having Romanian citizenship isn’t a requirement.
When I bought my Piper from Denmark, the only thing we did locally was to sign the sales agreement, transfer money and fly home. Same with buying TMG from austria. deregistering (or transfer of ownership for Piper, its still in OY register) in CAA was done by e-mails and regular mail. I also used the previous insurance until i got a new one. (so using your numbering, no 6 came directly after 3). I also choose to keep the previous CAMO, which has worked out reasonably well for 3 years already.