I heard the electricity costs £3 per kWh also 
No fuel, insane electricity bills. Where will it end…
I heard the electricity costs £3 per kWh also
Where? On the N pole?
It’s roughly 15p/kWh in the UK.
So what’s changed? Nothing!
Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news, sensationalising the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed.
What we have now is purely the result of media scaremongering!
Exactly.
Peter wrote:
Where? On the N pole?
On the free market of electricity. Not necessarily felt by each consumer, unless opting for “trade prices”. They are considerably cheaper in the long run, but highly jo-jo. The reason for extreme high prices can be various, but mostly due to influx of solar and wind. Someone has to pay for all that waste “green research” in the end. For me it is very good, we got DC cables to Denmark/Germany (and UK in a few months), and I’m heavily involved in making governing systems for connected hydro power in Norway The prices are often up to 1 € per kW/h, as well as on the negative side, but 3 has never happened before. For us, negative-positive, it’s all good. With high prices we sell lots, with negative prices we buy lots
One has to wonder when people get to their senses and start building nuclear plants. In the mean time it will be wild west, and that’s good for me
Just heard an interview with someone on the mainland (admittedly a trade union leader) saying this poor treatment of truck drivers is endemic across Europe, so it looks like the only difference in the UK is the completely pointless panic at the pumps.
One has to wonder when people get to their senses and start building nuclear plants
Indeed.
I’ve never seen €1 per unit let alone €3 per unit.
Ours are a little less than UKs, but much of the cost is made up of taxes, vat, network costs and green tarifs. So we pay for the renewable research as we go along. Unless you are also counting the costs the government invested in renewable research, much of which they are now reclaiming through the taxes on electricity.
Nuclear was once the future, when Margaret Thatcher promised UK cheap, reliable clean electricity. In France the promises were more to do with employment.
The problem was the figures were based on workers without much in the way of hazard protection hanging from bungies to replace rods in the core. Health and safety restrictions gradually increased the price, but then people started to ask what is going to happen to all that waste so the price of that had to be factored in, and then there was the cost of the planning enquiries. Sizewell B (or perhaps it was C) took about 10 years of disputes to get permission to build. Representatives of the press attended from all over the world. The number of barristers, solicitors and other legal people plus representatives, experts and others from both sides of the argument filled the makeshift courthouse for much of those 10 years and cost a fortune. And then there were the mounds and mounds of papers produced. I wonder if anyone did an estimate of the number of Norwegian trees which were.cut down to make that paper. (Norway being the biggest supplier of paper pulp to the UK back then).
Then there was Chernobyl and Three Mile Island and the publics opinion in general hardened against Nuclear Power.
The costs of building a nuclear power station of 2500MW are now so high that even the largest International conglomerates in the energy field could no longer raise the money. Unless of course they could get some sort of guarantees on the price they would get per unit. That price would need to be more than renewables cost, even with the green tarif. And some 50% plus of the general populations of most Western countries have a hard time accepting Nuclear as safe, let alone cheap, which it wont be.
Put against renewables one can still build a 3Mw wind turbine or solar farm for a capital outlay of a fraction of a nuclear station. So small producers can test the water, so to speak. And the prices of such installations are reducing with demand. But of course the wind does not always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine, or does it?
The answer is possibly Interconnectors where the electricity is produced locally and transmitted through them to other countries.
Thus we have Interconnectors joining France and England. The UK gets the benefit of nuclear powered electricity without the need to build a nuclear power station on its crowded island. There is also the advantage of time differences in that French electricity demand tends to peak one hour before that of the UK so peaks of demand can be lopped both directions through the interconnector.
The link with Norway takes advantage of hydro power there. The German link with Greece allows advantage to be taken of solar panels and greater sunshine in the south.
Solar links with Africa for solar power and even the middle east are possible as would be wind power from countries like Russia.
The downside with interconnectors is political. How many countries want to be reliant for their electricity on another country. You need a lot of trust that said country would not cut off a large part of your electricity supply at a moment’s notice. That is and can be a political hot potato. Just like getting rid of your gas storage facilities before finding a reliable alternative for electricity and heating produced from gas.
Maoraigh wrote:
The small modern Rotax twins, like the F reg one on the Wexford beach
Tecnam P2006?
Petrol demand over the weekend was apparently 500% higher than normal in the UK. It was entirely a self-inflicted problem.
This excess demand hasn’t happened in the highlands, islands and Northern Ireland, where the situation is normal.
On the other hand, it seems amazing that for the first time ever, petrol is cheaper in the Isle of Man than it is in the UK (normally it’s around 10% more expensive here).
alioth wrote:
Petrol demand over the weekend was apparently 500% higher than normal in the UK
Why would that be? Here they tell us that it is even investigated whether military transport services are usable to deliver petrol to the stations, as lack of fuel was such a big issue at the moment. And at the same time stating, that Brexit was the cause and that all was going down and so on.
But even BBC and other British media houses inform about petrol supply shortage.
If it was only panic buys then we have the same situation like with toilet paper (and pasta) during first Corona wave 
gallois wrote:
The costs of building a nuclear power station of 2500MW are now so high that even the largest International conglomerates in the energy field could no longer raise the money
The future might bring micro nukes, i.e. very small sized nuclear power stations; An interesting concept..
