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How far can you move before needing a taxi clearance for the movement?

At my home airport this is luckily not an issue. The fuel station, the apron and the taxiway connecting the two are outside the “maneuvering area” and so uncontrolled. Listening on TWR frq is advisable, though, as TWR sometimes comes up with “solutions” to what could be a locked-up nose-to-nose situation.

Sometimes it is good to be reminded of problems one does not have.

huv
EKRK, Denmark

The fuel station, the apron and the taxiway connecting the two are outside the “maneuvering area” and so uncontrolled.

The first time I came across this, in Germany, I was quite confused that ATC refused to give me a clearance… In the UK it seems to be either ATC control everywhere, or no ATC control at all – no middle ground.

EGEO

There are “non movement areas” at UK (well at least UK-like) ATC airports, for example area mike at Ronaldsway is not controlled by ATC (there’s the double yellow bars at the exit to area M with a reminder “ATC clearance required beyond this point”).

Andreas IOM

It seems I’m pretty fortunate that the pilots at my local club are mainly considerate because they tend to move their aircraft by hand away from the pumps without prompting.

With regard chartering, our club has a rule which says if you want the plane for a whole day during a weekday, you have to pay for a minimum of 1 hour per day, 1.5 hours at the weekend – so if you want the plane for an extended weekend – Friday to Monday – you can have it but only if you agree to fly (or pay) for at least 5 hours flying (2 × 1 hour plus 2 × 1.5 hours). Charges are raised wet per minute with only actual flight time calculated, not hobbs or block time.

Works well for me…….

What is the point of talking to ground control. So they can control whatever they want to control. The focus will be getting a/c to the runway for take-off, and getting aircraft away from the runway environment after landing via the taxiways to the apron of their choice.

At a GA airport, at a GA apron, I wouldn’t bother when I do apron movements. (e.g. swapping parking spots, a/c out of hangar, taxi to bowser) However if I had to enter a taxiway, you might wanna talk to someone about it.

Check the local rules see if they mention anything about it. If not I would use common sense. Or call the aerodrome traffic officer.

At a controlled airport, look for the maneuvering area boundary line.
It is made up of two yellow lines: One dashed line, one solid line.

This separates the ramp/hangarage/maintenance area (solid side) with the taxiway (dashed side).

If you don’t need to enter the taxiway then you don’t need to call Ground.

Last Edited by James_Chan at 22 Sep 12:27

Image here:

Obviously unless there’s something unusual, most airports would put the fuel pumps outside the maneuvering area with enough space to get to and from the relevant parking areas and for pulling aircraft aside after refueling or Ground will very quickly be overwhelmed.

Edited to add: Double white lines may also be used in some places.

Last Edited by James_Chan at 22 Sep 16:27

At a controlled airport, look for the maneuvering area boundary line.
It is made up of two yellow lines: One dashed line, one solid line.

As per my photo on Page 1

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