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Does anyone know the details for Guernsey?

@pg might know…

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Interestingly I was in Guernsey this morning. I walked through a hangar full of big aircraft, from King Air, up to Falcon. I would say the spread of registrations was 60% M Reg, 40% G Reg. I didn’t see a 2 reg aircraft, or an N reg.

Darley Moor, Gamston (UK)

No Guernsey residents here?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Sorry, a bit slack joining in. I can deal with the easy stuff first.

Pilot Licence is very easy. A paperwork exercise for a 2 Reg validation. 30 minutes online application. No paperwork to be sent, just scans via E-mail.

The Engineering stuff is another matter. We have the Cirrus on N reg and at this point there is no desperate desire for us to put it on 2. Therefore we haven’t gone through the process of checking out the detail.

Can OP e-mail me directly with some details and I’ll ask a few discreet questions when I’m next in Guernsey? I don’t think you need to be Guernsey resident tho. Or at least there’s going to be an easy way of managing it through a Guernsey registered company.

As an example, our Cirrus is owned by a Guernsey company, and whilst I am now resident in Guernsey, I have also been a sole Director of a Guernsey company prior to becoming resident – and at that stage without an intent to be resident.

Off the top of my head I’d guess that the Engineering rules would follow the N scheme. But that’s just a guess. As to where the aircraft lives… I know that some of the 2 Reg fleet live most of their lives outside Guernsey.

Does that help at all?

pg
PG
EGJB

Jersey aircraft register scrapped?

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/03/13/aircraft-registry-may-be-scrapped/

Luckily very few are affected.

Does anyone know why exactly they got so few?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Because, like so many involved in GA aviation, they thought that ‘rich people with big planes‘ would produce good results and ignored the ordinary man.
If, even now, one of these registers recognised that there are many ordinary GA pilots who would willingly choose a closer register than the States to get the equivalent benefit of the ‘N’ registration, (and I am sure there are takers), they would get good results.
Remember the business maxim: SPQR [“small profits, quick returns“].

Rochester, UK, United Kingdom

What did they do?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

We have an aircraft on the San Marino register (T7) which seems to offer many benefits and few downsides.

EGKB Biggin Hill

I think such en exotic registery has to provide some sort of clear benefit to the users. So far I did not see what benefit Jersey wanted to offer. Recently I learned that the real benefit of the Isle of Man register is hidden but powerfull: A company on the Isle of Man is apparently allowed to rent the aircraft to its CEO for whatever use VAT free. This would be a deal subject to VAT in Germany and probably most other countries and so it seems to allow running the aircraft effectively VAT free for private operation.

www.ing-golze.de
EDAZ

I merged the various registry threads because of posts which would otherwise be off topic and create a lot of work for me

We have an aircraft on the San Marino register (T7) which seems to offer many benefits and few downsides.

Could you post some detail, @Timothy? I am sure many would be interested. Specifically on the VAT angle, which one ex HMRC aviation VAT specialist thinks is void, except possibly inside Italy (see earlier post).

I think such en exotic registery has to provide some sort of clear benefit to the users.

The main issue seems to always come back to the same thing: these registries are relying on the co-operation of either another country which actually holds the ICAO seat (the UK, for the C.I and the IOM) or another country within which it is embedded (Italy for San Marino). If they push it too far they get stamped on. That is what most likely drove the IOM one to require Part M, having originally accepted FAA Part 91 (and various other stuff like the minimum weight, to exclude most piston GA).

When the Guernsey registry was first talked about, they were going to accept Part 91, FAA licenses, no minimum aircraft weight, no Guernsey pilot residence, the whole lot, but they back-pedalled quickly. Maybe someone on the 2-reg (@pg?) can update with the latest info.

A company on the Isle of Man is apparently allowed to rent the aircraft to its CEO for whatever use VAT free

The IOM has no Benefit in Kind, which is a massive plus for a company owned aircraft which has an element of private use. On the UK mainland, the tax people really hate such a combination. However, AIUI (@stolman will know more) the company has to be on the IOM and so have you, and you pay for this benefit in the form of rain and more rain

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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