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Brexit and general aviation, UK leaving EASA, etc (merged)

Peter wrote:

How has brexit affected GA travel patterns?

For me, everything remains the same which means I need international airport on my end prior to flying in/out UK. The only difference (I believe pretty minor) is that I needed immigration only and now I need customs as well. As long as GAR works, I guess it will be hassle free on UK side.

Last Edited by Emir at 21 Feb 21:50
LDZA LDVA, Croatia

not much, UK wasn’t part of Schengen anyway.

EHTE, Netherlands

How about a new discussion:

How has brexit affected GA travel patterns?

We’ve all had a couple of years to think about this.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Bordeaux_Jim wrote:

No, they couldn’t because :

- To fly for Easyjet Switzerland (separate AOC) you need a Swiss licence AND the right to work in Switzerland
- To fly for Easyjet Europe (separate AOC covering all the other non-UK bases) you need an Austrian licence AND the right to work in wherever country your base is.

First things first, we are assuming for argument’s sake that the UK pilot has an EASA ATPL, therefore is licensed to fly European aircraft. That leaves just the right to work. Your comments were that UK pilots were at a disadvantage because they couldn’t be shipped off to foreign bases if there was a shortage of pilots.

I think you should read the ICT Directive – EU 2014/66. This clearly details under what conditions a specialist – and a pilot with an ATPL is considered a specialist – from a third country can enter an EU nation to work and reside there. Don’t believe me? Your choice. I’m telling you that the legislation is there.

EDL*, Germany

Under the assumption that the Austrian CAA has very good connection with the agency handling the residence permit. I would say that’s very unlikely. Austria is not a banana republic, after all.

Not a banana republic, but there are plenty of countries, not far from me and not even so far from you, where there is, shall we say, a “closer integration” of the State and its institutions, than one might expect

South of about 50N it’s pretty universal, and often the “integration” includes the Catholic church.

It’s the way the world is…

If your name is Easyjet, what you don’t do is approach the Austrian CAA, get them to do the SOLI on a few hundred pilots or planes, spend millions on that, and only then approach the Austrian immigration agency The correct procedure would be approach the CAAs of all 27 (well maybe not the big EU players.. I mean, you wouldn’t approach those who are still chucking UK-origin airmail parcels on a pile for a few weeks and then return them “rejected by recipient” while the recipient is chasing them every day, and never saw the package) and make discreet enquiries and ascertain which of them are willing to make a few million, and a pile of prestige, for arranging all this, and getting it done under the expected pressure from Brussels whose #1 job is to not make life for Brits easy.

Bulgaria would have done the job for less and chucked in spare tyres (to replace ones which get nicked while parked there), but they aren’t schengen.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

RobertL18C wrote:

https://www.oliverwyman.com/our-expertise/insights/2022/jul/airline-pilot-shortage-will-get-worse.html

Oliver Wyman is a management consulting firm, some vested interest paid for that piece to be written and published….

A shortage is when they’re paying for your training and paying you a nominal salary while you train.

Last Edited by Graham at 21 Feb 19:56
EGLM & EGTN

https://www.oliverwyman.com/our-expertise/insights/2022/jul/airline-pilot-shortage-will-get-worse.html

Not a training organisation, but it does mention a surplus of pilots in Europe. Conversely, it also points out a shortage in the Middle East, which in turn recruits Captains from UK and Europe.

It doesn’t break out UK, but currently the main bottleneck appears to be the UK airlines being able to train new recruits. Pretty well most of the 2022 cadet production has been hired.

I would suggest when European airlines start to subsidise or bond the Type Rating, or offer sign on bonuses, then one might argue there is a real shortage.

European airlines are recruiting UK flight deck crew for their UK bases.

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

as a “private deal” with the Austrian CAA (under which Austria made millions out of this SOLI job) the right to work is arranged quite magically very fast

Under the assumption that the Austrian CAA has very good connection with the agency handling the residence permit. I would say that’s very unlikely. Austria is not a banana republic, after all.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Peter wrote:

as a “private deal” with the Austrian CAA (under which Austria made millions out of this SOLI job) the right to work is arranged quite magically very fast

Not sure how the Austrian CAA can get someone the right to work in France or Germany?

LFCS (Bordeaux Léognan Saucats)

you need an Austrian licence AND the right to work in wherever country your base is

I would bet that Easyjet

  • provide all the legal/admin services to make that really easy (no way the average airline pilot, let alone cabin crew, is going to bother, or even know where to google)
  • as a “private deal” with the Austrian CAA (under which Austria made millions out of this SOLI job) the right to work is arranged quite magically very fast
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