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Removing the human factor from potential aircraft accidents?

172driver wrote:

Boeing foresaw that and decided not to pursue a double-decker 747 (the 747-8 sells reasonably well as freighter, not as pax aircraft), whereas Airbus decided they needed to sink some billions into a prestige four-holer.

A bit off-topic, but the historic timeline goes like this: In 2005 the A380 made it’s maiden flight. Development had started in 2001. Boeing began development of the 747-800 only in 2005 as a reaction to Airbus’ initial sales figures of the 380. They “forsaw” nothing. BTW: In 2004, one year before the 380 maiden flight and the kick-off of the 747-8 Airbus already launched it’s next plane, the twin engined 350.

Last Edited by what_next at 16 Sep 16:30
EDDS - Stuttgart

172driver wrote:

Sorry, both of these assertions are pure nonsense

Not according to people that do this for a living (shipping). But I guess you know better The point is, ships run at optimum speed today. There is no idea going slower because crew cost would eat up the potential saving. The speed of a ship is solely an economical optimization (within physical bounds of course, like max speed decided by the length). The only way to cut cost is to make it go slower, and this require no or reduced crew. This is the main incentive for pilotless ships, cut cost by cutting fuel and crew.

I wonder what the incentive for pilotless aircraft should be. The only thing I can think of is trying to grab passengers from other transportation system (train, bus, car). You cannot do this with a 777, 787, 330 or 350, they are all used for intercontinental flights. You have to make smaler aircraft more economical somehow.

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

Well, why don’t you ask your specialists how they are going to deal with ongoing maintenance (of which there is a fair bit) on a ship without crew?

The Human Factor can be removed by using Non-Human Programmers and Controllers.

Maoraigh
EGPE, United Kingdom

I don’t think anybody has found a way to generate software by a machine

Well, there was TLO

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

TLO?

Its creator is David James, a bankrupt former millionaire with only a week’s formal training in computers. In partnership with Scotty Bambury, a Somerset tyre dealer…

Caution with the source (WikiP)…

Swanborough Farm (UK), Shoreham EGKA, Soysambu (Kenya), Kenya

LeSving wrote:

I wonder what the incentive for pilotless aircraft should be.

Well, reducing costs of course. The most expensive thing which can happen to a commercial aircraft operator is an accident. Even if the direct cost is covered by an insurer, the associated loss of confidence will always reduce passenger numbers (at least for some months). If a pilotless plane is safer than one with pilots (of which I am, repeating myself…, absolutely convinced) then there will be fewer accidents and less cost. And even if we will never get pilotless aircraft, the development of systems capable of handling autonomous flight will improve safety greatly. If the avionics can advise the crew about their best option after a dual engine failure and if an “autoditch” facility gets built into it then every Sullenberger scenario will have a happy outcome. If the avionics does not rely on the common sense and training level of it’s crew after a sensor failure but takes into account other sources of information and presents these in the easiest possible way then ever AF447 will have a happy outcome in the future. With or without pilots.

EDDS - Stuttgart

My TLO comment was tongue in cheek obviously but it did apparently work. I have zero formal training in computing too but seem to manage ok…

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

I have no doubt that in the (distant?) machines will overtake humans intellectually…. hopefully I won’t be around…

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

Peter wrote:

I have zero formal training in computing too but seem to manage ok…

I suspect that because you are 1) smart and 2) willing to learn by yourself. Neither is true for a lot of people who have taken a cram course in “computing” and pose as programmers.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden
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