A government that can stand up to us nasty Europeans
That’s not at all what ~99% of Brits think of Europe. They love Europe and cannot wait for their next holiday so they can visit 
Also Corbyn was probably the worst choice as opposition leader, because few politicans are so unpopular as him outside their narrow core supporter base.
Well, yes, but let’s say you were moaning about your wife. Someone might just say to you: “well, you chose her” His supporter base was not narrow; it was just smoking some illegal stuff… and nobody else wanted the job.
The confidential (but leaked) Labour post-election position briefing paper is to blame everything on brexit. But the data is out there. Corbyn was the biggest component in Labour’s demise, but their socialist economic measures were straight out of the 1970s, and they didn’t appreciate that times have changed. Actually they would have been quite radical even in the 1970s.
This is not what the EU “wanted” in the first place, gallois. Most EU leaders wanted the UK to remain. Most want to get rid of Johnson as he as seen as unreliable buffoon, which even many Tory supporters will agree he is.
However, this result gives some degree of clarity, allowing both the EU and the UK to move on and define their future relationship. The EU has many important issues to tackle, which have been sidelined by Brexit for too long.
The next question will be how the new UK government behaves regarding the transition period. Until December 31 2020, everything will remain as it is. But if there is no new trade deal in place, trade between the UK and the continent faces another cliff edge, as it is back to WTO trade regulations then. Trans-channel trade will be hit very hard. That is the moment when many of the doom and gloom predictions about Brexit will start to become reality, not on February 1.
Most experts agree that it is nearly impossible to negotiate and ratify a deal that prevents this within the remaining time. But Johnson has said he will not apply to prolong the transition period, a request which the EU has already indicated it would grant. Let’s see if he keeps this word, which may have just been another electioneering move. Now that he’s got a solid majority, he can afford to anger some ERG fanatics and still get his policies through parliament.
Trans-channel trade will be hit very hard
With the WTO tariff on cars being 10%, and Germany being a big exporter to the UK, indeed… hence I predict deals will be done.
Peter wrote:
It seems obvious that all the definite Brexit voters voted for Boris because he was the only option offering that clear choice. So he probably got the whole 52% who voted “out” in the 2016 referendum.
He didn’t. That’s the point. He only got 43.6% of the votes but because of the UK first-past-the-post system he got 56.2% of MPs.
I’m not passing any judgement on the UK voting system here. I’m just saying that it is incorrect to say the the election outcome showed an overwhelming popular support for Brexit. It did not. It did result in an overwhelming support for Brexit in Parliament and I tend to agree with those who say that at this point the important thing was to get a Parliament that could make a final decision on the Brexit issue and we did get that.
I know you don’t believe a word of what’s written in the Guardian, but I as wrote above, my source was Wikipedia which got that data from the BBC.
The referendum turnout was not 100%.
AA – You seem to be missing the point I raised and using weird logic similar to the bbc’s disgraced graph they produced following the european elections where they claimed the anti brexit parties won.
Labour were not running on a clear anti-brexit stance (deliberately so because they knew it would be terrible for them) They were just trying to obfuscate. We musn’t forget Corbyn historically has voted against I think all the big eu related items in parliament. The clear anti brexit parties were the Liberal democrats, the scotish national socialist party and The indpendent group. They clearly did not get a majority for the uk.
Just a few days ago the guardian claimed it was a myth that labour had lost the working class vote.
Now Jeremy is saying he won the argument just didn’t convert it to an election win. This is delusional. As usualy comes from centrally planned command economies he loves so much.
It is correct that a first past the post system gives the largest plurality a disproportionate amount of power.
proportional representation gives the smaller party in a coalition a disproportionate amount of power, as we saw with the DUP.
No system is perfect.
The “brexit vote was united, remain vote as split” is a myth, btw – the “landslide” happened because many labour seats switched, and this is where the Brexit party stood, and in many cases got around the same number of votes than the LibDems and Greens combined.
Labour lost for three reasons: Policy, Brexit, and people. They would be very foolish not to address all three, and lull themselves into believing that they can win with an extreme left manifesto and poor leadership just because brexit has gone away.
I see there’s news that there’s going to be a “radical reshuffle”, so we might not get Grant Shapps as Transport Secretary anyway. Hopefully, he will be left in post. I’m saving writing a letter about the absurd GAR process until it’s clear who is going to be Transport Secretary…
As a pilot who seems to go places he must know all about the GAR. I also feel that putting him on the spot just forwards the letter to the DFT. But regardless, he is our best hope of a reform.
Airborne_Again wrote:
Anyway, sure it was a massive vote for the Tories. I’m arguing it wasn’t a massive vote for Brexit
It is a massive vote for Brexit and against Corbyn*, but still not clear which sort Brexit it will be?
Current one has nothing new than Mrs May “soft version” just comes with a “strong majority”
*He was the best asset conservatives had on this election
