Malibuflyer wrote:
By now, Florida has reported 266k cases – that is 1.250 cases per 100k people. Not as much as NY yet, but while NY, e.g., had 2.500 new cases in last 7 days, Florida had 70k !
Number of cases is tough though, because it is a factor of multiple variables, one of the most critical being number of tests administered…
Quote by Dr. Charles Lockwood, Senior Vice President of USFHealth (South Florida) from July 13:
“The other thing that is driving the cases is clearly its spread because of the test positive rate. But we did 143,000 tests on Saturday. When the Governor eight weeks ago said that we were going to triple the number of tests done per day in the state from 10,000 to 30,000 a day people thought he was crazy.”
I enjoy having these conversations about freedom vs regulation and once more seeing the gap between the two cultures. We’re essentially viewing the same thing from two perspectives, which I love.
I just wish immigration were free flowing so that individuals in the US who really like regulations could live where they are very well established and those who want freedom could move where it is found.
Having traveled a good deal, it troubles me that many Americans hate America, but have no concept or clue about emigrating. It would be great for those who love communism to freely move to China and those who love socialism to move to Europe.
That would be great!
Everyone would have less to complain about, because they could easily pick the governance of their preference.
AF wrote:
It would be great for those who love communism to freely move to China and those who love socialism to move to Europe.
That would be great!Everyone would have less to complain about, because they could easily pick the governance of their preference.
Unfortunately this doesn’t work even in theory as long as we have such a nagging thing like “economy”. It’s basically impossible to move from a country with a social health system into the US after the age of 50 or so (even if you are a completely free mind) because you simply can’t afford healthcare.
Equally a country with a social health system could economically not accept lots of immigrants at that age even if they discovered their love for social behavior as soon as they are on the receiving end of a social health system.
Freedom comes with risk and responsibility – whoever wishes the risk of infecting himself with Covid should take full responsibility of the consequences including carrying the cost. Whoever wishes the freedom to infect others with Covid should also held responsible of the cost of treating those people.
What we can’t do – and I would expect Europeans and Americans to agree to that – is individualize freedom and socialize cost. That won’t work.
Malibuflyer wrote:
Freedom comes with risk and responsibility – whoever wishes the risk of infecting himself with Covid should take full responsibility of the consequences including carrying the cost.
Malibuflyer we couldn’t agree more.
Malibuflyer wrote:
Whoever wishes the freedom to infect others with Covid should also held responsible of the cost of treating those people.
We were so close…
@AF, Americans don’t often move where there is less individual economic opportunity, unless they are retiring to Panama, Belize etc. I have American friends living in rural France but he is a retired fireman and she is a retired flight attendant… so not looking for employment income. In normal times they are back in the US six or eight times a year. Right now I don’t actually know where they are.
A great many middle class Americans have significant personal assets in comparison with their foreign counterparts. Heath insurance cost may be an issue for those who retire before 65, but not necessarily and it’s broadly the same monthly cost worldwide. It’s not an issue relative to what country an American citizen may live in, as it is for foreigners who move to the US and leave behind socialized health care. What Americans more typically care about is leaving their access to US health care, as well as the usual language issues etc.
That said and as you’ll doubtless be aware, there are no regulations or paperwork at all to move residence between US states, the states are financially independent (taxing their residents directly and independently) and they compete in a marketplace of ideas. My wife is frustrated with having left Germany, enjoyed a different life here and now has the perception of her past life having caught up with her. She has the view the current US state restrictions on personal freedom will never end (I think she’s wrong while taking her point). She’s talking about Idaho which is indeed a nice place, if cold in the winter, as well as a negative cliche for those who prefer centralized planning and control over individual life. That’s doubtless her attraction to it, as well having had a nice trip there and knowing (for her husband 
) that it’s one of the best places in the world for GA flying.
@Silvaire True enough on all points.
Sadly, I think your wife is right about the decline of personal freedoms…
There’s not much effort being put into educating people on the price of liberty, so there’s not much value for it in culture, it is simply assumed upon. Big mistake.
Idaho is gorgeous. But shhhhh, don’t tell anyone else!
AF wrote:
who love communism to freely move to China
China is of course not communist anymore, except in name.
Involuntary quarantine is well established law in free countries, intended to stop the spread of disease by restricting the freedom of small numbers of sick people for short periods.
Airborne_Again wrote:
China is of course not communist anymore, except in name.
Been there recently?
25% of all companies are owned by the government.
Does that make it 25% communism and 75% capitalism?
I’m concerned some in the forum may not want to hear about political discourse, so perhaps it’s better we talk about the state of GA in China…
I haven’t flown GA there, so I can’t say anything about it…
AF wrote:
Airborne_Again wrote: China is of course not communist anymore, except in name.Been there recently?
25% of all companies are owned by the government.
Does that make it 25% communism and 75% capitalism?
Sorry to be pedantic, but state onwership of some companies does not mean communist (or socialist to be precies in case of China) country.
@arj1 indeed definitions come into play here, and I’d originally put those into my post before thinking some on here might get touchy feely about off-topic posts.
Now that @Peter has cleaned up our segue, I’ll write that what I’ve seen of the country is that they have hitched a communist machine to a capitalist engine.
Keen choice, because communism cannot sustain itself, that’s been proven time and again.
