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Which notam source - NOAA or Eurocontrol and bizzare notam time span issues

I am getting very confused by this and wonder if anyone can explain it.

EGJA.

Eurocontrol notams, selected for 12 months ahead

C3818/19
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FOLLOWING AN ICAO UPDATE TO THE METHOD FOR DETERMINATION OF AREA
MINIMUM ALTITUDE (AMA) CRITERIA ALL USERS SHALL REFER TO ENR CHART
6-81 AVAILABLE ON THE AIS WEBSITE WWW.AIS.ORG.UK FOR REVISED AMA
FIGURES FOR THIS AERODROME’S SID AND STAR PROCEDURES.
FROM: 18 JUL 2019 00:00 TO: PER

NOAA notams, default settings at NOAA

C3566/22 NOTAMN
Q) LFRR/QFAAH/IV/NBO/A /000/999/4942N00213W005
A) EGJA B) 2207040000 C) PERM
E) AMEND OPERATIONAL HOURS TO READ:
MON-SAT 0735-1830, SUN 0855-1830: (MON-THU 0635-1730,
FRI-SUN 0635-1830).
UK AIP EGJA AD 2.3 1, AD 2.3 8 REFER.
CREATED: 30 Jun 2022 14:10:00
SOURCE: EUECYIY

C3549/22 NOTAMR C1585/22
Q) LFRR/QNLAS/IV/BO /A /000/999/4943N00212W005
A) EGJA B) 2206300624 C) 2209271730
E) NDB(L) ALD/ALDERNEY 383KHZ U/S
CREATED: 30 Jun 2022 06:24:00
SOURCE: EUECYIY

ICAO notams – not sure of the origin

C3566/22 – EGJA (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland): Aerodrome Hours of service
AERODROME
Period: 2022-07-04 00:00Z – 2100-02-01 00:00Z
Q-Code (FAAH): AGA Facilities and services Aerodrome Hours of service Availability
AMEND OPERATIONAL HOURS TO READ:
MON-SAT 0735-1830, SUN 0855-1830: (MON-THU 0635-1730,
FRI-SUN 0635-1830).
UK AIP EGJA AD 2.3 1, AD 2.3 8 REFER.
CREATED: 30 Jun 2022 14:10:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

C3549/22 – EGJA (United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland): Locator Unserviceable
AERODROME
Period: 2022-06-30 06:24Z – 2022-09-27 17:30Z
Q-Code (NLAS): CNS Terminal and en-route navigation facilities Locator Unserviceable Availability
NDB(L) ALD/ALDERNEY 383KHZ U/S
CREATED: 30 Jun 2022 06:24:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

When you say “Eurocontrol NOTAM”, “NOAA NOTAM” and “ICAO NOTAM”, I assume you are referring to what organisation/web site is showing the NOTAM. Although, as you hint at, I’m sure that the “ICAO NOTAM” is not shown by ICAO but by someone else.

The question is about the different NOTAMs shown? (Although “NOAA” and “ICAO” show the exact same NOTAM, only presented in different ways.)

Did you get the “Eurocontrol” NOTAM using EAD Basic? This may be a case of an issue with EAD Basic. Remember that EAD Basic was recently notified as not to be used for operational purposes. Autorouter uses EAD Pro and shows both of these NOTAMs.

I’m surprised that the “Eurocontrol” source shows the 2019 NOTAM at all. NOTAMs are supposed to be removed or republished after 3 months. Also, that particular NOTAM just refers to AIP-UK which has the actual information.

Last Edited by Airborne_Again at 31 Jul 07:39
ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

What am I doing wrong here?

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

What am I doing wrong here?

I don’t think you’re doing anything wrong. I tried it, too, and got the same result. It’s just that we’re told not to use on EAD basic for operational purposes. Your example could be a case where it doesn’t show correct (or at least up to date) information.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Yes – we did that here.

It is hard to believe that Eurocontrol have deliberately corrupted (I can’t think of another word for it) their notam feed on EAD Basic.

The AIPs they serve still appear to be current.

They must be playing their old game of protecting commercial interests – like they were doing for many years with blocking routing tools, until they moved all the producers to their paid data feed.

I now have to pay someone to change the notam feed on both a private site, and the EuroGA airport database

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Got another funny one just now, EGJA again.

Notams from NOAA:

C3020/23 NOTAMN
Q) LFRR/QFUAU/IV/NBO/A /000/999/4942N00213W005
A) EGJA B) 2306010630 C) 2308311735
E) AVGAS FUEL NOT AVAILABLE
CREATED: 01 Jun 2023 06:38:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

C2700/23 NOTAMR C2686/23
Q) LFRR/QNLAS/IV/BO /A /000/999/4943N00212W005
A) EGJA B) 2305172015 C) 2306290000
E) NDB LOCATOR ALD/ALDERNEY 383KHZ U/S
CREATED: 17 May 2023 20:15:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

Notams from Eurocontrol – 12 months ahead:

C3566/22

AMEND OPERATIONAL HOURS TO READ:
MON-SAT 0735-1830, SUN 0855-1830: (MON-THU 0635-1730,
FRI-SUN 0635-1830).
UK AIP EGJA AD 2.3 1, AD 2.3 8 REFER.
FROM: 04 JUL 2022 00:00 TO: PERM

Can anyone explain this? There is no overlap between the two.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Notams from Eurocontrol

How do you get the NOTAMs from Eurocontrol? AFAIK, Autorouter gets its NOTAMs from Eurocontrol and it shows the first two NOTAMs. OTOH it doesn’t show the last one, but that info is incorporated in AIP by now so I would expect the NOTAM to have been cancelled.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

The Eurocontrol ones come from their EAD website.

We already know (previous posts above) that EAD says that site is not for operational use, so may this is yet another manifestation of that i.e. they randomly “corrupt” that feed.

The AR will probably be getting all this via the paid B2B interface.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Weren’t the first 2 NOTAMs issued by Brest FIR?
If the NOTAM issued by Eurocontrol is anything like we had to do when our frequency changed A-A is probably correct.
IOW the advance notice for something to be entered in AIP charts is a minimum of 48? days (the cycle is 28 days but that is just the publication cycle) .
So any airport information such as times must be given by NOTAM if the start date is pre those 48days..It might be longer for certain alterations.
The FIR for Aldernay looks as if its BREST yet it is not a French airport so the logical originator for the NOTAM in this case would be EUROCONTROL. Just my 2c.

Last Edited by gallois at 25 Jun 06:52
France

Peter wrote:

i.e. they randomly “corrupt” that feed.

If true, that would seriously surprise me.

Derek
Stapleford (EGSG), Denham (EGLD)
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