There are some entirely academic assumptions there, which as we all know often do not apply 
when there is reasonable assurance that prior coordination will be effected between those units under whose control the aircraft will subsequently come.
In Europe, there is no coordination between consecutive units, especially once you cross some national borders.
Somebody has a nice job, maybe €100k, writing this stuff.
Peter wrote:
In Europe, there is no coordination between consecutive units, especially once you cross some national borders.
Of course there is coordination, also across national borders.
So how can I depart e.g. LDPL to EGKA and get “cleared to destination”.
It is like the Russian proverb: we pretend to work, and you pretend to pay us
Peter wrote:
So how can I depart e.g. LDPL to EGKA and get “cleared to destination”.
That’s a completely different question which I think we both know the answer to.
To avoid misunderstanding, the term “coordination” refers to an ATC unit accepting transfer of control of an aircraft from another ATC unit. That happens “in Europe”, otherwise you would need a new clearance whenever you pass a FIR border and that’s obviously not the case. Well, except in some circumstances when you enter UK FIRs – otherwise we wouldn’t have this discussion!
UdoR wrote:
I often get clearance limits that are not the destination, because I often depart and arrive VFR.
Well, yes, but for India flight plans, or even Zulu, but when doing the transition VFR to IFR, baring any special circumstances, the limit should be the destination?
UdoR wrote:
Anyway, what about stating “unable” to ATC in that case? It’s the most honest thing one could reply.
If it happened to me, in IMC, that would be my reply, for sure.
Edit: The complication is that you are now OCAS, and free to continue IFR “by yourself”, but if I knew I had to go back to CAS later…
Peter wrote:
In Europe, there is no coordination between consecutive units, especially once you cross some national borders.
“some national borders” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence ;-)
Maybe not the best example, as it’s related to a regular handover, but the other day, Langen asked me to change flight level, letting me choose between lower or higher, way before being handed over to Dutch Mil, because Dutch Mil preferred to not have me at the current level.
