CRI SET / MET question!

boscomantico wrote:

Except in parts of Eastern Europe.

Few days ago I departed from Zagreb with 2 additional crew members.

In practice this often doesn’t work though. Except in parts of Eastern Europe.
Elsewhere, at the very least, they want to see the pilots license of the second crewmember. But most of the time, they will flat out decline, since, in private SEP flight, “there can only be one pilot”…

Sidenote: A legal implication of this is that eg a personal injury/life insurance that wiould pay if you are a pax will not pay if you were a „crewmember“ that actively engaged in the flight.

The financial implication is that you won’t pay airport pax fee for at least one person

No, since the cirrus is certificated as single pilot.

The PIC can declare the second pilot to be a crewmember instead of a pax (eg for handling radio or traffic watch), but that is merely an „activity“ and not „pilot function time“ that can be recorded.

Sidenote: A legal implication of this is that eg a personal injury/life insurance that wiould pay if you are a pax will not pay if you were a „crewmember“ that actively engaged in the flight.

@lionel wrote:

So two PPLs can decide to share duties in flying the Cirrus

Does that mean one can log time a PIC and the other as Co-Pilot?

Wouldn’t that require that both pilots in this case have completed an MCC course?

CW wrote:

As CRI you can instruct for non complex airplanes towards a single pilot privilege. Need 15 hrs within the past 12 months and demonstrate ability to instruct in this class to a qualified instructor.

@CW
Did I get this right?

To instruct as CRI on NCO planes for single pilot ops one needs to obtain
- the relevant Class Rating
- then 15 hours PIC on it within 12 months
- and then another qualified instructor to demonstrate ability to instruct (how does that work in practice? or
- a demonstration of competency with a FIE.

Thanks

EDIT: Found an answer.
FCL.910.CRI CRI – Restricted privileges
(a) The privileges of a CRI are restricted to the class or type of aeroplane in which the instructor assessment of competence was taken. The privileges of the CRI shall be extended to further classes or types when the CRI has completed, within the last 12 months:
(1) 15 hours flight time as PIC on aeroplanes of the applicable class or type of aeroplane;
(2) one training flight from the right hand seat under the supervision of another CRI or FI qualified for that class or type occupying the other pilot’s seat.

Yes, Part-NCO (and this its GM) is applicable to non-commercial operations with other-than-complex aircraft.

So two PPLs can decide to share duties in flying the Cirrus, as long as:

• They both agree to it (duh…)
• It it is reasonably expected to enhance security or achieve an operational objective (better chance of arriving, more beautiful pictures, smoother ride, more fun, accumulate experience; as long as these things are operational objectives of the flight)
• They are capable, briefed on the role and aware they are not passengers
• One of them is clearly designated as PIC

“Other-than-complex” is:

• For planes, anything that is at most 5700 kg MTOW, and at most 19 passenger seats, and is certificated for single pilot operations and having no turbojet engine and having at most one turboprop engine.
• For a helicopter, anything that is at most 3175 kg MTOW, and at most 9 passenger seats and is certificated for single pilot operations.

A tilt rotor aircraft is always complex.

Thank you!
For single pilot certified airplanes operated non commercially / NCO can you do that as well?
E.g. two PPL holders in a Cirrus?

lionel wrote:

I think I saw an explicit reference to that in Part-NCO, but I cannot find it right now.

Ah, found it. It is in the GM:

GM1.NCO.OP.180 Simulated situations in flight
DESIGNATION OF PERSONS AS CREW MEMBERS
(a) The operator may designate any person as a crew member (including a task specialist) provided that:
(1) the role, according to the reasonable expectation of the operator, will enhance the safety of the flight or achieve an operational objective of the flight;
(2) the person, according to the reasonable expectation of the operator, is capable of fulfilling the role;
(3) the person has been briefed on the role as a crew member and informed that they are crew, not a passenger; and
(4) the person agrees to the role as a crew member.
(b) Crew members are not considered to be passengers.
(c) Crew members may be required, by specific provisions of this Regulation and other Implementing Rules, to hold licences, ratings or other personnel certificates to fulfil certain roles such as instructor, examiner or flight engineer in certain circumstances.

Snoopy wrote:

Then the question arises why would a second pilot in a single pilot complex aircraft need any instruction and for what, he legally can’t fulfill any role anyway.

A single pilot aircraft requires at least one pilot, but the operator can decide to fly it with a crew of two. The OPS regulations applicable to the flight may even require a crew of two (e.g. in commercial transport), even if the aircraft type certificate does not require a crew of two. That’s how PC12 or single-pilot light jets are operated by a crew of two, with the PIC and SIC (pilot and copilot, captain and first officer, …) roles.

Even in our “small plane” flying under Part-NCO, nothing keeps us from deciding on a crew of two. I think I saw an explicit reference to that in Part-NCO, but I cannot find it right now. It contained conditions like: any person the PIC designates as crew member must know they are crew, be briefed / competent for the role, etc. Roles of such crew members I can imagine: operate the radio (in general, or because you fly into a French-language airfield and don’t speak French?), assist with/perform navigation, monitor and speak up if something is not right (like e.g. you dial a different frequency that acknowledged, gear is not on three green, …).

Also consider operations like a rental club checkout flight, and instruction flights… Clearly the PIC is the instructor, clearly someone else is PF (pilot flying). That’s a crew of two.