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N-reg aircraft and European / EASA licenses / licences (merged)

What exactly is it that allows N-regs (or any other non-EASA reg) to be operated on a regular basis within the UK, by people living in the UK?

If it isn’t banned it is allowed.

EGTK Oxford

If it isn’t banned it is allowed.

OK, perfect. Legally this means there are no laws regulating it. This is the same as Norway, and I presume most places. But, in Norway the law states that in circumstances where no law is applicable (the aircraft is not Norwegian, not EASA and is not operated according to an agreement), then it has to have a special permission from the CAA.

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

From post #33:

“Aviation activities within Norwegian territory can only be done with aircraft that have:
1. Norwegian nationality,
2. foreign nationality that according to this law, or regulation given in reference to this law, shall be considered to be on equal terms as Norwegian nationality,
3. nationality of a foreign state in which Norway has made an agreement concerning the rights for such aviation activity or
4. after special permission by the Norwegian aviation authorities.

In relation to point 3, Norway is an ICAO signatory….meaning they have essentially “made an agreement concerning the rights….” for all other ICAO state aircraft including US registered

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

Peter, just to give you an idea, Norway is the country that will demand that Norwegian citizens residing in Sweden, commuting to work in Norway driving a Swedish-registered car pay taxes (customs and excise) on their vehicle to Norway. A car in Norway costs about double of what they do in other European countries except from Denmark, because of taxes. There have even been cases where they seized such cars owned by Swedish residents.

LFPT, LFPN

That would be a tax issue….not an LT issue….in the UK the HMRC are concerned about whether VAT is paid on based N-reg….not the CAA

YPJT, United Arab Emirates

You similarly can’t drive a foreign reg car in the UK for more than something like 3 or 6 months, but there are clear reasons for that policy

  • avoidance of speed cameras
  • avoidance of the road tax
  • avoidance of the MOT test (if say driving a Greek reg vehicle)

There is a marginal area where somebody living in say France can drive a French reg car into the UK, regularly, and they will get away with it. I think the enforcement is in the form of it “getting noticed” if parked in front of your house in the UK But if you park it on a private road, they can’t do anything about it.

Being N-reg avoids nothing. The UK has no long term parking regulation on foreign reg planes, therefore it is 100% legal.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

That would be a tax issue….not an LT issue…

This was just to illustrate that Norwegian authorities will go to great lengths to prevent what they consider as undesirable behaviour. There should be no reason for a Swedish resident to pay taxes to Norway although being a Norwegian citizen. They still find ways to do so.

LFPT, LFPN

Tax issues were my first thought about this N-reg business. Both regarding why do it in the first place, and the laws/rules about it. Taxes are a peculiar thing in Norway, and probably the most talked about (and cursed) subject, after the weather perhaps

After a few minutes (seconds) of thought, this is clearly not so. There are no taxes on aircraft or aircraft materials, not even fuel, other than sales tax for private use (as opposed to cars, except electric cars). This is why using mogas is exceptionally cheap in Norway. You can simply send in the receipts and get paid back all “road taxes”, making mogas cost about 1.1 € per liter when used in an aircraft.

But in this case, taxes has nothing to do with it as far as I can see. It is solely the aviation law regarding country of origin. They are written so it falls back to special permission, case by case, if none of the normal ways are applicable. They only concerns aviation (actual operation within Norwegian air space), nothing else.

Peter, just to give you an idea, Norway is the country that will demand that Norwegian citizens residing in Sweden, commuting to work in Norway driving a Swedish-registered car pay taxes (customs and excise) on their vehicle to Norway. A car in Norway costs about double of what they do in other European countries except from Denmark, because of taxes. There have even been cases where they seized such cars owned by Swedish residents

Electric cars are void of all taxes what so ever in Norway. No sales tax, they can park for free, they can charge for free, they can drive in bus lanes and they pay nothing on toll roads. In fact with an electric car, eUp, Tesla or whatever, you just pay a minimum price, and never have to pay a single bill again, ever (ever meaning until 2017 when this arrangement ends )

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

Being N-reg avoids nothing. The UK has no long term parking regulation on foreign reg planes, therefore it is 100% legal.

What is this parking thing? What has parking got to do with the legalities of aircraft operating within the air space? This is like saying since there are no long term storing limitations of TNT, then I am free to blow up things (schools, cars, cinemas).

The elephant is the circulation
ENVA ENOP ENMO, Norway

What is this parking thing? What has parking got to do with the legalities of aircraft operating within the air space? This is like saying since there are no long term storing limitations of TNT, then I am free to blow up things (schools, cars, cinemas).

I give up…

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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