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How to get noise certificate for my amateur-built Jodel?

My amateur-built Jodel is on the F-PXXX (French CNRA) register.

Do I need a noise certificate for flights in Germany, France, Spain, Croatia, Italy, Slovenia, Austria, …? I’ll mostly land on small airfields and aerodromes.

What’s the consequence of not having a noise certificate (other than paying excessive landing fees)?

How can I get one for my plane?

I heard rumors that in France there are 1-2 events where people can come and generate a noise certificate by flying over a microphone. Does anyone have more details?

LFHN, LSGP, LFHM

Yes, it is advisable to have a noise certificate for flying Europe.

No noise certificate means higher landing fees and on occasions denial to land at specific times, i.e. mid-day.
There are certain airfields even not allowing regular landing without noise certificate in any way.
All valid if you get checked of course. It is a risk without.

On which ICAO Annex basis is your Jodel registered?
There are certain constellations in which case there is no way to get a new one.
Yes, if there is no generic noise certificate they measure by microphone on specified fly-overs.
If your aircraft was amateur-built, there will be no generic certificate.
What year was your Jodel built, noise under ICAO Kap.6 procedure?
Did you check carefully and thorough there never was a noise certificate?
As said, certain old ones cannot be done new, but they do keep their validity.
A former owner may have forgotten to hand it over on selling the aircraft?

Last Edited by dejwu at 25 Jan 17:01

dejwu wrote:

Yes, it is advisable to have a noise certificate for flying Europe.

A 1979 PA28 owned by my club got its noise certificate revoked last year. Our CAA said that according to ICAO standards it doesn’t have to have a noise certificate and if it doesn’t have to it shouldn’t — they even demanded it back! They did provide us with a paper that said the aircraft didn’t need a noise certificate. And of course we copied the old one before surrendering it…

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

dejwu wrote:

On which ICAO Annex basis is your Jodel registered?

What year was your Jodel built, noise under ICAO Kap.6 procedure?

I think it is an Annex-II aircraft. It is a Jodel D11, built 2001 by a French aeroclub, and since then registered under French “CNRA”, i.e., Fox-Papa registration.

Could you please elaborate on “noise under ICAO Kap.6 procedure”?

dejwu wrote:


Did you check carefully and thorough there never was a noise certificate?
As said, certain old ones cannot be done new, but they do keep their validity.
A former owner may have forgotten to hand it over on selling the aircraft?

I will have another close look at my paperwork and contact the club and former owner. But from own prior experience those things are handled in a very lax way in France, so I would be very surprised if something turns up.

So likely I would have to obtain a noise certificate by measurement. Has anybody ever done this — any recommendations where to go? Would I need to go to a French shop, or could be be a German one etc.?

LFHN, LSGP, LFHM

Zorg wrote:

I think it is an Annex-II aircraft. It is a Jodel D11, built 2001 by a French aeroclub, and since then registered under French “CNRA”

Zorg, there are a lot of Jodels D11 in France or around Europe who should have the same configuration as yours and probably with a noise certificate.
By same configuration, I mean same engine model and HP, same exhaust system and propellor.
CNRA should have on their register the aircrafts which have noise certificate.
If a similar aircraft exist you do not need to do any noise test, they should just issue the certificate on this basis.
I would contact first the CNRA and ask. They can also give you the list of people who do the noise test.

If this does not exist I would contact the German experimental aircraft association (OUV) and look for the same stuff.
If you find one with the exact same configuration you may ask the owner to send you a copy of his noise certificate and show this to CNRA or RSA.
Good luck!

ES?? - Sweden
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