Stickandrudderman wrote:
Just because you’re rebuilding it in Switzerland, does that mean you have to register it in Switzerland?
He’s going to bring it to Switzerland which (as it’s not a vehicle) immediately triggers import duties in VAT in Switzerland.
Stickandrudderman wrote:
If VAT is paid in Norway then it is paid in Europe.
Norway is not in the EU.
Stickandrudderman wrote:
Surely if you are going to operate out of an Austrian airport you should register it there?
The moment he brings it from Switzerland to Austria to leave it there for a prolonged time, Austrian VAT is due.
The moment he brings it from Switzerland to Austria to leave it there for a prolonged time, Austrian VAT is due.
But I should think that, due to the very nature and principle of VAT, however much VAT has been paid on entry into Switzerland can be recovered at export? Must be a hell of paperwork, though.
spirit49 I suggest you ask your local VAT official.
I am slightly familiar with a case where someone rebuilt a wrecked certified plane (of US make) and wanted the VAT paid certificate.
He declared VAT on the value of the wreckage.
Obviously the value was very low so it didn’t cost him much.
But here in the UK this is the only way if the vat route before you got it is unknown.
Well stripe me pink! I didn’t realise Norway had evaded capture!
spirit49 wrote:
Im about to buy a RV-4 restoration project
Which one? The one that tipped over on the first flight at Hamar? or is it just an old, possibly flyable one you want to modernize?
spirit49 wrote:
Initially I won’t touch country of registration(will leave it on LN-reg)
Today LN-reg is superior for experimental in Europe due to several changes at the CAA and other changes done with the help of the Ombudsman during the last 2-3 years. You will be able to maintain it yourself, 100 h signing, (eventually after some training and a course). Any certified mechanic or mechanic shop, in the world essentially, will also be able to do and sign 100h. You can install IFR equipment and fly IFR. The aircraft receives a C of A. And of course the ECAC recommendation makes it possible to fly within Europe with few problems (unlike N-reg). The CAA fee is about 5000 NOK a year, and Teletilsynet also want a fee for the radio+ELT at 1000 NOK, total about 6000 NOK or about 650 Euro per year.
In principle, if you keep it on LN-reg, you can do all the larger changes you want at a certified shop (or yourself, or by a mechanic) anywhere in the world, but you have to get an official approval from the CAA. You should not do any larger modification on the aircraft without getting approval first. The EAA Norway will be of priceless help here also. I’m not sure if you will get that approval without an approval from the country you are placed at, that this is OK by them (although within EASA that is no problem, or??). For some changes you also will have to do test flying (the CAA decides), and I guess this could cause a problem if the country (Switzerland) does not allow this. Both Sweden and Norway requires foreign experimental aircraft to have finished all test flying before they can fly within the airspace.
Thanks all for you inputs.
I put the question up here to make a bit of a statement. The price I will pay for this wreck is VERY good, so the VAT issue is actually almost negligible.
So to avoid the paperwork and hassle, Im just going to pay all countries, and for sure get a “Free Circulation” in EU. Have gone down exactly the same road last year with my P210, so it shouldn’t be too much of an issue.
Cant really see a problem keeping it on LN-reg even though it will be flown out of Austria. Since I will be the solve owner, and being a Norwegian citizen, living in Switzerland, they don’t have much jurisdiction over me beside the VAT thing.
@LeSving : I think this is the first time we have agreed on something on this forum. ;) ;) ;) (Thats a lot of smilies OK!)
Joke aside. I do think keeping it LN-reg’ed is a good idea. But there might be some issues getting the “Approval to fly” after Im done with the rebuild in Switzerland/Austria.
Not keen on having to truck it back to Norway just for this. But since its not a 1st registration for this home-build, I dont know how this is looked at.
But maybe a inspector can come down to give the approval, and Austria can give a “one-off” approval for the “Foreign” test flight.
Espen
spirit49 wrote:
I think this is the first time we have agreed on something on this forum. ;) ;) ;)
Good, there is a first for everything
I hope everything get sorted out regarding the restoration of the -4.
Its going to be a pretty steep learning curve to restore a homebuilt.
But I will take the time I need, and make it properly. All the knowledge is out there, you just need to find it. Vans airforce is priceless.
But I will take the time I need
Depending on who built it, you may need it, and lots of it
There are stories which cannot be told…
Peter wrote:
There are stories which cannot be told…
There are a lot of RV horror stories on the internet. But most of these are from builders that buy half finished kits from the first owners who gave up half way. And the reason why they gave up are often very easy to see. But maybe not for the untrained eye during the purchase process.
My rebuild project is from a crashed RV-4 that run off a grass strip(in winter) and hit a tree.
Friends of mine bought the aircraft and starting restoring it. EAA Norway was involved all the way and they almost finished it. One of them had already built a similar RV, and the other is an Certified aircraft sheet metal worker for the airlines. So the work done is of top quality. Its probably 75% done.
How long it will take to finish? No idea. Just want it to be finished in the same quality as my friends started it.
