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Midway Island – Adak, Alaska is over 1400 nm!

The Europa N81EU did it also a few years ago.


These flights are done mostly under IFR, due to the 3rd World mostly not recognising VFR. One old post here. Whether the UK based (G-reg) people got the CAA Permit amended to allow IFR, I have no idea.

Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

I think a lot of that is “just done” without worrying too much about the legislative fine print. It is probably a reasonable strategy for a round-the-world flight where you’re just passing through. I think it is a little trickier to fly around Europe without regard to the regulatory spiderweb.

Italy can apparently be added to the list of countries allowing experimental IFR:


yesombre wrote:

As a new pilot our N-reg. experimental is right now perfect for me

Honestly, it’s probably one of the least practical experimantal plane to use when flying around Europe. A US registered plane cannot benefit from ECAC. There are other options that are better. A plane registered in Norway, Sweden or Finland, would be much more practical, and fully IFR capable. Even a UK registered RV would be easier, but then you would have to “inspect” it every year.


mmgreve wrote:

Italy can apparently be added to the list of countries allowing experimental IFR:

Dude, if you start taking PlaneCheck adverts as reflecting the legislation then you will be in for a BIG surprise …

To wit:

There’s a Lancair Legacy registered F-WOAH, that’s also listed on PlaneCheck and the owner states it as “IFR” ….

In France, the F-W### means it has NO AIRWORTHINESS certificate and is in the temporary testing phase BEFORE a permanent AW Cert may (might ?) be established. This plane has been in this state ever since it was built !

Last Edited by Michael at 08 Sep 05:59

I had a long conversation with the owner / seller of F-WOAH , the Lancair Legacy listed on PlaneCheck.

The plane is on a temporary AW Cert. and has been ever since it was built. He handed the plane over for testing to the DGAC’s testing & certification grounds in Istres and they supposedly “approved” it for IFR flight, and despite that, he still has no permanent Airworthiness Cert !

Although he did not come right out and say it, I suspect the French CAA is putting the heat on and they could pull the plug on his temp pass at any moment.

I know this topic has been discussed before, but I can’t find an exhaustive answer to it:

Is it legally possible to fly an Experimental aircraft under IFR in European airspace?
And, if yes, under which circumstances?

I know it is not possible for e.g. a German registered Experimental. But what about, let’s say, a Swedish one (heard that there it is possible) in German airspace?

Is there a European consensus amongst the countries or does every single one have a different regulation?

May thanks in advance!


Last Edited by Supersonic at 03 Nov 14:04
EDNG, EDST, Germany

Sweden I know is possible.

A search with e.g. this

ifr AND homebuilt

(uppercase AND) digs out various threads. A few countries allow it, and the aircraft’s permit obviously must not have a VFR-only restriction.

Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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