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Revalidation by experience: refresher flight requirement

It’s time to revalidate by experience my CAA PPL with the UK CAA.

As I live in Switzerland, this is always a bit of a dance, as I can’t simply ask a local EASA FI to endorse my license and — for legal reasons, this can only be done by an EASA FE or privileged FI who is licensed by the UK CAA.

However, the requirement for the one-hour refresher flight is less clear. Can this be done with any EASA FI holding the corresponding (class) rating, not just a UK CAA licensed one?

I have called the licensing hotline, but they were not able to answer my question, but only sent me a generic email about the revalidation by experience, which doesn’t really go into this detail.

I remember that last time the revalidation worked with the refresher flight with a French FI, but things might have changed in the meantime …

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Michael

LFHN, LFHM, LSGP

Zorg wrote:

the requirement for the one-hour refresher flight is less clear. Can this be done with any EASA FI holding the corresponding (class) rating, not just a UK CAA licensed one?

I can’t give you an authoritative answer, but I don’t why it could not be done with any EASA FI.

ELLX

The UK CAA doesn’t check everything, plus a lot of these requirements are fossils. For example they have a particular liking for the term “CFI” (Chief Flying Instructor – a UK term which is a honorary one; if you are the oldest FI in a school you can call yourself “CFI”; you have some paperwork responsibility, not to be confused with an FAA CFI which is a specific thing). I know a guy who sent in some forms which required a “CFI” signature and he got them signed by an non UK EASA FI outside the UK, who wrote his FI number on the form, and nothing came back… Then later a UK CRI was used and again nothing came back.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Just to check, when you mean “CAA PPL”, do you mean a UK CAA-issued EASA-FCL PPL with SEP rating? (I assume yes.)

I have often done the reverse, whereby a UK CAA FI/CRI was used to revalidate the SEP rating on my Germany-issued EASA-FCL PPL. The only additional requirement from the German side was to enclose a photocopy of the instructor’s licence as the German authorities would not have direct access to the CAA database.

And one would need to assume that the revalidation of an SEP rating on a UK CAA-issued EASA-FCL PPL by any EASA FI/CRI should be possible without further issues as it is possible to do renewals (i.e. where a skill test with an examiner is involved) with non-UK examiners, see https://www.caa.co.uk/General-aviation/Pilot-licences/Applications/Test-notification-requirements/.

Last Edited by wbardorf at 28 Nov 13:20
EGTF, EGLK, United Kingdom

Any EASA FI or CRI can perform the one hour instructional flight. However only a UK licenced FCL945 holding instructor (if they did the flight) or a UK FE can sign the rating revalidation.

Ps – CFI is not honorary – it is an appointed post holder position with specific responsibilities and requirements within the ATO or DTO approval

FI - FE - FICI
Oxfordshire / Glocs

Balliol wrote:

Any EASA FI or CRI can perform the one hour instructional flight. However only a UK licenced FCL945 holding instructor (if they did the flight) or a UK FE can sign the rating revalidation.

That’s what I thought, and what worked last time. I will give it a try (and report back in case of any complications).

LFHN, LFHM, LSGP

I can’t simply ask a local EASA FI to endorse my license and — for legal reasons, this can only be done by an EASA FE or privileged FI who is licensed by the UK CAA.

I (currently) have a UK issued EASA PPL, living in Switzerland as well. Typically I do the refresher flight with any EASA FI/CRI without him having signed off on the licence. Then I send

  • a copy of his licence and medical,
  • my original log book (where the FI/CRI has signed of the refresher flight) and
  • form SRG1119B (I believe)

to the CAA and get my new licence and the log book sent back within a couple of days.

LSPV (Wangen-Lachen), Switzerland
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