Yesterday afternoon I passed the skill test for the CBM IR. With the new regulations I was able to take the test with only 13.9 hours of ATO training!
There seem to be quite a few myths around the IR training and test regime – Jim Thorpe who taught me suggested I post to debunk some of them…
To summarise: training is available to fit around your work commitments, provided you are current in instrument flying the ATO training is doable in two or three long weekends, the test is for the most part reasonable, and you can use your own aeroplane without too much hassle.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
Can I ask where did you do the theory course ? I enquired around and, predictably, FTOs have been advising I follow the “old” 150 hours IR course or even the ATPL course… whereas the CBM theory is supposed to be around 80 hours.
I actually did the old-style theory last year with CATS. I hear the new style theory courses should be approved in the next few weeks.
Great report, and actually looks like a fair approach to everything was took, which on it’s own is encouraging. Did you learn in your own aircraft, and I assume it’s the TB10 in your profile, so did it have a GNS430 or something like that? What sort of altitude was you expected to fly to join airways where you took the test?
Did you learn in your own aircraft, and I assume it’s the TB10 in your profile, so did it have a GNS430 or something like that?
Yep, I used my TB10 – she has a GTN650 and an Aspen. The Aspen in particular makes a huge difference.
Great report. I’m currently waiting for the new theory course.
What was the bad habits you had to unlearn? and how many hours have you used you IMCr?
Thanks for the great report, jwoolard.
Has the issue with the CAA adding the “new” IR onto the license now been resolved? I recall reading something about this around the place but didn’t really follow it.
Were you allowed to have sight of the GPS (officially I mean) the whole time? Being allowed to look at the GPS (officially) makes the flying of holds in particular dead easy.
Some care is needed in calculating the hours credited from previous instruction and experience – the rules are not obvious.
Was this an issue with the interpretation of “IFR time”?
I see you did the old JAA IR (7) exams. It will be interesting to see the theory course when it comes out. In particular I wonder whether the study material which GTS make you do the homework on will still be the 1950s RAF-discarded stuff I had in 2011, or something more relevant.
I should also ask Jim to return my window screens Not that anybody is going to need them…
Interesting that this is the first true CB-IR test I have heard about (ie not a non-EU ICAO IR conversion)….especially great since the CAA originally said they wouldn’t be able to take CBIR flight tests until September….Great news
I thought the whole point is that there is no such thing as a CB-IR Test as distinct from an IR Test. The difference is only the training course, the test is supposed to be the same, is it not?
Well done jwoolard
I thought the whole point is that there is no such thing as a CB-IR Test as distinct from an IR Test. The difference is only the training course, the test is supposed to be the same, is it not?
You’re right, there is no difference in the test. For the 3rd party ICAO conversion the only change is an additional oral exam.
Was this an issue with the interpretation of “IFR time”?
No, it’s just that the way the regulations break down the hours (instruction by an IR holder, instruction by a non-IR holder etc) needs careful analysis. You cannot necessarily credit all your hours (although in my case it turned out I could credit nearly all of them). It is worth reading the original text of the regulations and carefully building a spreadsheet of one’s hours in each category.
Were you allowed to have sight of the GPS (officially I mean) the whole time? Being allowed to look at the GPS (officially) makes the flying of holds in particular dead easy.
No, this was removed for the initial departure, the hold and the approach. We were actually hit by the current GPS jamming NOTAM in the enroute segment … that’s a whole other story.
What was the bad habits you had to unlearn?
Checks (demonstrating good threat/error management in a ‘systematic’ way) and radio for the most part. Also I haven’t flown a raw NDB approach without GPS since I passed my IMCr. I reckon a total of 6-7 hours was spent on the NDB (tracking, holds and approaches).
and how many hours have you used you IMCr?
I have 20 something hours of sole ref time since passing my IMCr two years ago.