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LAPL/PPL in a taildragger? Is it extinct?

ACA aeroclub d’Antibes in LFMD has a very nice super cub (pa18-150) i’m flying with, fully restored like new and recently fitted with 2 garmin 225.

LFMD, France

I will add for Cub lovers
- SaintCyr LFPZ Paul Tissandier, nice Cub to do PPL and nice circuits around Versailles !
- LaFerteAlais LFFQ: Vintage Aero Academy, you can do PPL in T6 with 45ke hole in your retirement fund (no PPL in the J3 as it’s N-reg, has to be FAA solo student with FAA CFI and paper exams done in USA)

Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

A quick google

Tailwheel-only clubs that are also schools:
Aviation et Relations Culturelles LFPX: D112, D113, DH251, DR250
Aéroclub des Cheminots LFOX : DR221, Z526
Aéroclub APAR de Couloummiers LFPK : D112, PA11, CP1310, DR221, Z526
Epernay Classic Aviation LFSW : SV4, PT17, DR220
Aéroclub du Bar sue Aubois LFQX : D112, D113, DR1054, D140, CAP10

‘Normal’ clubs offering tailwheel PPL:
Aéroclub de la région de Lorient LFRH : DR1053, DR220, DR221 x2
Aéroclub du Bassin Minier LFGM : DR220, D112
Aéroclub d’Esbly LFPE : D113, J3

EGHO-LFQF-KCLW, United Kingdom

The PPL skill test would be in a PA28

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

RobertL18C wrote:

Stapleford has a PA18 in good condition and may be open to doing a PPL in it,, it even has a directional gyro

A friend of mine inquired possible in principal but not easy, while there is no shortage of instructors to each on C152/PA28 arranging weekend flying in PA18 was tough, the other problem was finding a “tail-wheel examiner” to do the skill-test

Last Edited by Ibra at 26 Nov 14:44
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

In parts of South America the PPL would be on a tailwheel (PA11, PA18) until after solo circuits consolidation. The NAV portion is then done in a PA28, effectively getting some good ab initio stick and rudder.

Stapleford has a PA18 in good condition and may be open to doing a PPL in it, it even has a directional gyro.

Cambridge used to do PPLs in a Tiger Moth.

Oxford (EGTK), United Kingdom

A quick summary of the 2012 article I mentioned above

Five clubs were interviewed about their tailwheel aircraft, 2 tailwheel-only and 3 mixed-fleet.

Almost by definition, tailwheel types are old. Some clubs chose the planes for historical reasons, e.g. it’s the type the club had when it was created, or it’s the type that the pilots learnt to fly on in their youth. The club may always have had that type, e.g. they bought or built it in 1950 and never sold it. Others have returned to tailwheel planes for the pure pleasure of flying.

All clubs do ab-initio tailwheel instruction, and they say starting on tailwheel is easier than transferring later. At least one recommends this with an hourly rate less than that of the same horsepower DR400. Older and kit built aircraft can be owner-maintained with uncertified parts, which keeps the cost down. Usually the most expensive part is renewing the CDN-R (restricted airworthiness certificate) at €300. The low cost of old two seaters is especially effective in attracting young pilots to the club.

For the clubs with hull insurance, the premium is no more for tailwheel. For the clubs who self-insure, they do not report any more accidents compared to tailwheel. One did say they have a much higher rate of runway excursion, mostly in early instruction, but no damage as yet. Generally the clubs feel tailwheel pilots are safer.

A few photos of the types mentioned lifted from the internet


CAP 10, aerobatic derivation of the Piel Emeraude


Jodel D112


Jodel D.140 Mousquetaire


Robin DR221 Dauphin. 160hp version is the DR250 Capitaine


Max Holste MH1521 Broussard


Nord NC858S


Stampe SV4

EGHO-LFQF-KCLW, United Kingdom

Tiger Club at Damyns Hall does PPL training & skill test in PA18 (people have to do 2h in C172 for VOR & simulated IFR) most people manage it in 50h

Last Edited by Ibra at 24 Nov 20:20
Paris/Essex, France/UK, United Kingdom

We can do PPL on our Army Cubs (PA-19) or Cap 10C, but it’s typically only one student every few years wanting to do this.

Normally, it will not require any more training than students having their PPL done with a nose wheel.

We are three FIs that can teach tailwheel and four CRIs (which can’t teach PPL).

FI, ATPL TKI and aviation writer
ENKJ, ENRK, Norway

Fly310 wrote:

Do you know of any flight school in EASA-land that conducts basic flight training in taildraggers? From 0 hours to skill test?

There still are a few in the cheese and chocolate land… even the place where I learned to fly in the last century (on a 1943 manufactured Cub), namely LSGL, still has a few Piper L-3s and even a Bücker Bü 131 Jungmann, all on which one can train and obtain a PPL. Other flight schools in the area have Jodels D11, Cap 10B, or other taildraggers for the real pilot out there

Dan
ain't the Destination, but the Journey
LSZF, Switzerland
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