See here. Just disregard the comments.
Pilot reported ‘…is cleared for immediate departure…’. How confusing!!
He should have read back “ready for immediate departure…”
Departure is always on taxiway, while takeoff is when you’re supposed to enter a free runway and ready to take off off that runway.
The tower should have reported a hold position as well to tell the c172 pilot to hold at rwy intersection until the heavy has landed and vacated the rwy.
He should have read back “ready for immediate departure…”
I would say the right anwer to a question “ready for immediate departure?” is:
“Affirm”,or, “Negative”.
Anyway, the big mistake was taking something for a takeoff clearance which didn’t contain the word ‘takeoff". Then obviously, it seems like he also didn’t check for traffic in final. One aspect might be the (beginner) mistake of positioning at a 90 degree angle to the runway, in which case you won’t see anything in a Cessna.
boscomantico wrote:
the big mistake was taking something for a takeoff clearance which didn’t contain the word takeoff
and neither the word “cleared” or even “clearance”
boscomantico wrote:
One aspect might be the (beginner) mistake of positioning at a 90 degree angle to the runway, in which case you won’t see anything in a Cessna.
If you really are at a 90° angle to the runway at the holding point (and not less), they you will see the approach area.
If you lean forward sufficiently.
I wonder what the consequences will be for the Cessna pilot. I take it for granted these conversations are recorded, so it should be possible to prosecute her/him, right?
-) “D-Exxx, after landing please call number ….” ought to be the minimum
-) administrative sanction for not respecting proper procedures, aggravated by the danger to the approaching airliner?
-) the airline charging the cost of the go-around? They have a certain reputation of counting all costs, including fuel, to four decimals at least.
And in case any conviction follows, what insurance will pay on the pilot’s behalf?
And by the way, wasn’t someone wondering why certain big airports appear to try and get rid of general aviation?
Jan_Olieslagers wrote:
so it should be possible to prosecute her/him, right?
For a mistake he obviously wasn’t aware of when he made it?
The controller could have told him that he wasn’t cleared for anything. I bet there was sufficient time between the controllers “Ja copied, call you right back.” and the Cessna taxiing onto the runway. So the pilot isn’t the only one who punched a hole into the safety net, the controller was, too.
They were lucky to see it. In the wrong light conditions, especially if the runway is wet, it can be very difficult to see even medium jets on the piano keys.
