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And if you ask a new pilot questions about that, a number of others will jump on you, saying that he/she should first have some “fun”, try different types, try different kinds of flying…

I agree that fun and flying different types is important and help understand underlying flying principles, but that isn’t mutually exclusive to buying your last plane first, is it? Your plane won’t be envious if you try some otherplane once in a while…

mh
Aufwind GmbH
EKPB, Germany

I wouldn’t necessarily agree with this. If flying IFR (or long trips with a little more certaintly of getting there and back around the planned dates) is what you want to do I personally would start it as soon as you can in your flying career.

Yes, true, because the earlier you buy your “last” plane the more currency on type you will have, etc. I bought the TB20 just 50hrs after finishing my PPL and never regretted that. Have to say however that the process was accelerated by the junk I had to rent in those 50 hrs

But that approach requires

  • a good focus on one’s ultimate mission profile
  • the availability of a fair bit of money, and time

And if you ask a new pilot questions about that, a number of others will jump on you, saying that he/she should first have some “fun”, try different types, try different kinds of flying… So you can’t win.

I always wonder why UK clubs won’t allow a first time channel crossing without a safety pilot. The real difficulty in channel crossing is the preparation, not the flying.

The “cross channel checkout” is a bizzare UK ritual.

They could teach people the stuff they need to know to fly to Le Touquet during the normal PPL.

And once you know that, you can fly to Biarritz, or anywhere else.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

About safety pilots.

I always wonder why UK clubs won’t allow a first time channel crossing without a safety pilot. The real difficulty in channel crossing is the preparation, not the flying.
Instructors I know usually don’t know a lot about travelling in a small plane for real. They won’t know the regulations of the other country (or only by hearsay), they won’t be able to speak the local language, most of them have never reflected on how to make a real and operational flight preparation on a modern plane with an iPad and a good piece of software (they wouldn’t know about autorouter(!) nor eurofpl), etc.
Nevertheless another experienced pilot can be helpful
- to prepare the flight: what weather to expect, local regulations and customs, what good questions to ask oneself about your destination airport etc.
- to fell more relax during the flight: when an unexpected thing occurs (and it happens) it’s good to have someone who will tell you if what happened is normal or not. When the workload begins to be overwhelming, you know someone will help so you can test your limits.

I agree that you should not fly with someone else all the time. It does built some confidence to fly with another pilot, but your confidence will of course be better built when you are on your own.
I don’t think that passengers are good for the pilot. They distract your decision making( the famous destinationitis because you don’t want to disappoint them) and you flying task (lookout etc.).

Peter wrote:

. And I would not recommend anyone starting on an IR until they are already a good accurate VFR pilot.

I wouldn’t necessarily agree with this. If flying IFR (or long trips with a little more certaintly of getting there and back around the planned dates) is what you want to do I personally would start it as soon as you can in your flying career. Studies have shown in the US that when the lowered the entry hours for the IR, accident rates fell ie the became better safer pilots). But plenty of pilots have no interest in it or need for it which is also fine.

Anything that keeps people flying and learning is good. Night, aeros, tailwheel, IR. All of these make you a better more accurate pilot.

EGTK Oxford

Guess you could argue LAPL a sort-of sport pilot’s license.

tmo
EPKP - Kraków, Poland

Also, insurance companies want the instrument rating to give the better rates.

In Europe?

The specialty flying like aerobatics, tail draggers, STOL, and gliders can all be done without a PPL (just a sport license) and are less concerned with instrument conditions or cross-country flying.

No Sport license in Europe…

I am all in favour of getting the IR. It really opens up one’s flying. I would have struggled doing most of these trips legitimately VFR. However, it does come with costs, in the form of needing a better aircraft and generally spending quite a lot more money on one’s flying. And I would not recommend anyone starting on an IR until they are already a good accurate VFR pilot.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

A PPL will suffice in both local flying and cross-country flying. But cross-country poses higher risk for bad weather and being stuck somewhere on the ground if you lack the instrument rating to keep going in marginal weather. Also, insurance companies want the instrument rating to give the better rates. So bothering to get the instrument rating has a couple of economic and safety incentives over just putting in a lot of hours as a PPL in VFR and 1 hour days.

Everything discussed on every aviation board applies to both types of flying.

The specialty flying like aerobatics, tail draggers, STOL, and gliders can all be done without a PPL (just a sport license) and are less concerned with instrument conditions or cross-country flying.

Some ‘kids’ are looking to make a living flying so they will want/need to progress rapidly through the ratings – PPL, IR, Commercial, ME, ATP.

Last Edited by USFlyer at 28 Jan 16:35

I would recommend doing more day trips.

Night flying is instrument flying in all but name, and if you find yourself on a real dark night you will be on instruments, in terms of both aircraft control and navigation.

Both night flight and the IR are much easier if you are a good and accurate VFR (VMC) pilot. So I would work on that first.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

@Aviathor
@Jan_Olieslagers

Thanks for your kind advices, and thanks to the others for your support
Feels good to be supported.

@Peter, if I can get my hands on the club’s plane I might try to join

Other question on a more general post-ppl questions:
-what is best to do in the short term: build experiece? Move for a night rating ?
-And for a mid-long term ? IR I guess

Any tips and school/training suggestions are welcome as well

Last Edited by jfw at 28 Jan 07:33
jfw
Belgium: EBGB (Grimbergen, Brussels) - EBNM (Namur), Belgium
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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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