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Which notam source - NOAA or Eurocontrol and bizzare notam time span issues

On the NATS website, I have seen similar problems in the past when the airport is in an unusual FIR, but it seems to work now. Perhaps the EADS site has problems when this is the case.

Derek
Stapleford (EGSG), Denham (EGLD)

gallois wrote:

The FIR for Aldernay looks as if its BREST yet it is not a French airport

The Channel Islands are part of the LFRR (Brest) FIR, see https://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/default/files/2023-04/eurocontrol-firuir-lower-airspace-ectl-2023.pdf [local copy]

ELLX

Peter wrote:

The Eurocontrol ones come from their EAD website.

The AR will probably be getting all this via the paid B2B interface.

Yet Autorouter get the same NOTAMs as you list for NOAA… This would mean that Eurocontrol has two different NOTAM databases? Why would that be, maintaining two different databases for no good reason does not make sense… Extra cost.

FWIIW, the French SOFIA-Briefing, the Belgian Internet self-briefing and ForeFlight all have the same NOTAMs as NOAA. EAD seems quite alone in this.

ELLX

It is indeed interesting, as it seems that the UK NATS and Eurcontrol EAD most likely use the same engine as the output format looks so similar but they come to different results:

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EGTF, EGLK, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

i.e. they randomly “corrupt” that feed.

If true, that would seriously surprise me.

Derek
Stapleford (EGSG), Denham (EGLD)

Weren’t the first 2 NOTAMs issued by Brest FIR?
If the NOTAM issued by Eurocontrol is anything like we had to do when our frequency changed A-A is probably correct.
IOW the advance notice for something to be entered in AIP charts is a minimum of 48? days (the cycle is 28 days but that is just the publication cycle) .
So any airport information such as times must be given by NOTAM if the start date is pre those 48days..It might be longer for certain alterations.
The FIR for Aldernay looks as if its BREST yet it is not a French airport so the logical originator for the NOTAM in this case would be EUROCONTROL. Just my 2c.

Last Edited by gallois at 25 Jun 06:52
France

The Eurocontrol ones come from their EAD website.

We already know (previous posts above) that EAD says that site is not for operational use, so may this is yet another manifestation of that i.e. they randomly “corrupt” that feed.

The AR will probably be getting all this via the paid B2B interface.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Peter wrote:

Notams from Eurocontrol

How do you get the NOTAMs from Eurocontrol? AFAIK, Autorouter gets its NOTAMs from Eurocontrol and it shows the first two NOTAMs. OTOH it doesn’t show the last one, but that info is incorporated in AIP by now so I would expect the NOTAM to have been cancelled.

ESKC (Uppsala/Sundbro), Sweden

Got another funny one just now, EGJA again.

Notams from NOAA:

C3020/23 NOTAMN
Q) LFRR/QFUAU/IV/NBO/A /000/999/4942N00213W005
A) EGJA B) 2306010630 C) 2308311735
E) AVGAS FUEL NOT AVAILABLE
CREATED: 01 Jun 2023 06:38:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

C2700/23 NOTAMR C2686/23
Q) LFRR/QNLAS/IV/BO /A /000/999/4943N00212W005
A) EGJA B) 2305172015 C) 2306290000
E) NDB LOCATOR ALD/ALDERNEY 383KHZ U/S
CREATED: 17 May 2023 20:15:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN

Notams from Eurocontrol – 12 months ahead:

C3566/22

AMEND OPERATIONAL HOURS TO READ:
MON-SAT 0735-1830, SUN 0855-1830: (MON-THU 0635-1730,
FRI-SUN 0635-1830).
UK AIP EGJA AD 2.3 1, AD 2.3 8 REFER.
FROM: 04 JUL 2022 00:00 TO: PERM

Can anyone explain this? There is no overlap between the two.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Yes – we did that here.

It is hard to believe that Eurocontrol have deliberately corrupted (I can’t think of another word for it) their notam feed on EAD Basic.

The AIPs they serve still appear to be current.

They must be playing their old game of protecting commercial interests – like they were doing for many years with blocking routing tools, until they moved all the producers to their paid data feed.

I now have to pay someone to change the notam feed on both a private site, and the EuroGA airport database

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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