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Can one have an IFR aircraft without a vac pump but with only one alternator?

I have an Aspen PFD and I just removed the vacuum driven AI, the vacuum system and the standby vacuum pump and put in a Sandia Quattro. Lost over 10kg. Legal on an N reg because the latter has its own backup battery and a certified degraded mode that still provides attitude when the pitot is blocked (which would take out the Aspen).

EHLE, Netherlands

Aspen now also has Evolution backup, which starts as 5995 USD for the basic version.

TomTom wrote:

How much would it be for the simplest installed IFR aspen?

The simplest installation would be with EFD1000 VFR. Although this unit is designed with VFR in mind, you are allowed to use it in IFR. Starts at 4995 USD. Installation depends a lot on aircraft and equipment in aircraft.

JP-Avionics
EHMZ

No Vac system and a Midcontinent SAM is the EASA certified back up for the G500 STC on the DR400.

How much would it be for the simplest installed IFR aspen?

LFPE

The DA-40 G1000 has only one alternator and no vacuum, and the PA-32/ Piper 32’s w/ Avidyne is the same. They both have backup AI with their own battery. In case of the DA-40, it is a simple pack of standard dry non-rechargeable 1,5V elements (as I recall) and in the PA-32 the backup AI battery is kept charged from the alternator (I think). Both types are, of course, IFR certified.

huv
EKRK, Denmark

too expensive

RC Allen with backup battery would be much cheaper?

I got rid of all Vacuum stuff in the Commander. However .. as my 114TC is equipped with TKS I have a dual alternator. My aspens (PFD and MFD) as well as the RC Allen all have a separate battery backup.

The KI300 is coming soon…

LFPE

Would I be correct that the only replacements for the KI256 vac AI (for the KFC225 autopilot) are still

  • G500+GAD43
  • EFD1000+EA100

I spoke to some avionics firms whose products output “uncertified” pitch and roll over ARINC429 about doing a converter to the KI256’s “LVDT” pickoff coil emulation (which is prob99 what the GAD43/EA100 boxes do) but the reply was that there is no market for it. OTOH there are many thousands of King autopilots which must have the KI256 (or the version of it that doesn’t have the flight director).

Castleberry do an electric “copy” of the KI256 but while it is TSOd it has no STCs, and one line of argument is that it cannot be installed to drive the AP unless there is an STC for that exact application; no field approval route exists.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

The same is true for Aspen nowadays. They have certified the battery solution mentioned in your 2009 text.

There a several new electronic attitude indicators which are approved to be used as “backup” instrument for other glass products.

JP-Avionics
EHMZ

I see no problem here. Our aircraft have no vacuum system at all. The standby gyros have their own battery which is independent from the rest of the electric system (apart from a one-way connection that keeps it charged), and this is all what’s needed.

Same in the Meridian. No vacuum for instruments (actually is vacuum for boots) and standby has battery and is cap checked each annual.

EGTK Oxford
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