Graham wrote:
So long as UK-EU relations do not deteriorate to the point where one side or the other moves to prevent dual citizenship….
I believe many countries claim to not allow dual citizenships, but none actually enforce it…
Graham wrote:
So long as UK-EU relations do not deteriorate to the point where one side or the other moves to prevent dual citizenship….
Actually, one needs to be careful. For Germany, there is an exemption on dual citizenship if the other citizenship is a citizenship of an EU member state. Otherwise, obtaining an additional citizenship without prior consent from German authorities means immediate revocation of German citizenship.
There is a very long FAQ list (in German only) on the German embassy’s website – specifically points 4a through 4h: https://uk.diplo.de/uk-de/brexit-infos-deutsch/faq-informationen-brexit
But the gist is, apply for UK citizenship by 31 Dec 2020 and there will be no issue with dual citizenship. Apply for it starting 1 Jan 2021, you will lose German citizenship unless prior consent had been obtained.
UK is outside of Schengen. And now also outside of EU, without any real treaty. What do you Brits expect ? Besides, wasn’t most of the idea of Brexit to stop foreigners from stealing jobs? It’s the UK who distances itself from others. It’s the UK who build walls. It’s not the other way around.
The idea of Schengen is to have a common border for immigration. Once inside Schengen, there are no more borders (in theory at least), and it works great also in practice most of the time. I have no problems going to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium without passport, and I’m not an EU citizen. Going to the UK on the other hand … (No problem, but there are lines and passports and whatnot).
The UK isn’t really doing symbolic stuff to hit the EU.
Well, I disagree. The Brits have behaved unreasonably and disgracefully from start to finish. Take, for instance the egregious denial of the human rights of EU fish living in “UK water”. They have inalienable rights to be caught by French fishermen and afforded all the corresponding protections of the Common Fisheries Policy.
Nobody but the Brits would threaten to trample on the freedom of pelagic and demersal citizens of another country in such an inhumane way.
Graham wrote:
… where one side or the other moves to prevent dual citizenship
Not without breaking Belfast agreement. Para (vi) of article 1:
recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.
172driver wrote:
Seriously – I haven’t flown a PA 28 in many years so not really up to speed on these machines, but can’t you make Belgium or France non-stop?
At the power setting that I fly, I’ve 5 hours until fuel exhaustion, if leaned correctly. I’ve promised myself that if I ever am still airborne after passing 3.5 hours on the tacho, that I’ll land at the nearest airfield. Many would say that’s too conservative. But my thinking is that I’ve no fuel totaliser, so I can’t be 100% sure of the remaining fuel fuel. It’s easy to lean a little incorrectly, and than can easily produce an extra 5-10% fuel fuel. Climbing uses more fuel than the cruise assumed in the 5 hours range and longer trips are often preceded by a longer climb. So I really only count on having 1 hour of fuel left after 3.5 hours flying.
I want to arrive at the destination with a guaranteed 1 hour of fuel left. It’s not unusual for VFR flight to have to hold for 15 minutes because the ‘once a day’ Ryanair flight has commenced their approach from 50 miles out! And while not common, it does happen that the aircraft ahead has an incident which temporarily closes the runway.
With a totaliser, I’d be happy to move my 3.5 hour rule to 4 hours, but I don’t have one (I rent the aircraft, so not my choice to fit one). tmo wrote:
Northern France from Dublin is about 3 1/4 hour flight. So just inside my 3.5 hour rule. Often it’s quite possible to do heading south but in my experience the prevailing wind tends to give a headwind going from France to Ireland which puts it beyond my range.
Also, even if it seems possible to make the night before, it’s too late if I get up on the morning of the flight and discover the wind is less favorable than forecast and I now need to make a stop in the UK. Flights between Ireland an the UK currently require 12 hours notice. So I tend to take the easy option and just plan a stop in the UK and be done with it.
Assuming the stop is for fuel, not to visit friends and family, couldn’t you claim a “technical stop” is exempt, 2nd freedom of the air, if memory serves (damn you, ATPL exams).
I could be wrong, but I think that only works on an airfield with controlled airside access. Most of the GA airfields in the UK have no such controls.
Graham wrote:
So long as UK-EU relations do not deteriorate to the point where one side or the other moves to prevent dual citizenship….
I don’t think the EU has a role in deciding citizenship. The UK could unilaterally decide to not allow it, but I don’t think the EU could do so…each member state would have to decide for themselves.
dublinpilot wrote:
Flights between Ireland an the UK currently require 12 hours notice
On the UK side, only if you go to a non-Police airfield – if you went to, say, Gloucester, you don’t have to give notice for a CTA flight. (This might change for Ireland after Brexit day).
wbardorf wrote:
Actually, one needs to be careful. For Germany, there is an exemption on dual citizenship if the other citizenship is a citizenship of an EU member state. Otherwise, obtaining an additional citizenship without prior consent from German authorities means immediate revocation of German citizenship.
Given that the German government isn’t notified, it doesn’t work quite like that. What does happen is that when a German citizen next applies for a passport they must do it at the appropriate German government faculty within their area of residence, and prove their local residence to do so. If they can’t prove local non-citizen residence (e.g. no green card in the US because it was turned in when they became a US citizen) they won’t be issued a new German passport by that facility.
If the person never told the German government they were emigrating, or alternately e.g. went to school with the people in local government, they may be able to maintain a German registered address. They can then get a new passport when necessary by applying in the area of their German address and life goes on with two passports.
Another possibility is to move back to Germany ‘for real’ after obtaining another citizenship but before the German passport expires, which could mean as long as ten years beforehand. Then you’re set for another 10 years to live where you like.
One does need to be careful because the stakes may be high for some individuals. My wife would like to be a US citizen but as a German property owner etc. with € at stake in that country she isn’t interested in doing what I describe, despite maintaining a German residence that would allow it to be done. It’s possible to get pre-approval from the German government, but takes some artful ‘justification’. There are specialists in the field with whom one can consult.
Silvaire wrote:
Given that the German government isn’t notified, it doesn’t work quite like that. What does happen is that when a German citizen next applies for a passport they must do it at the appropriate German government faculty within their area of residence, and prove their local residence to do so. If they can’t prove local non-citizen residence (e.g. no green card in the US because it was turned in when they became a US citizen) they won’t be issued a new German passport by that facility.If the person never told the German government they were emigrating, or alternately e.g. went to school with the people in local government, they may be able to maintain a German registered address. They can get then get a new passport by applying in the area of their German address and life goes on with two passports.
Another possibility is to move back to Germany ‘for real’ after obtaining another citizenship but before the German passport expires, which could mean as long as ten years.
One does need to be careful because the stakes may be high for some individuals. My wife would like to be a US citizen but as a German property owner etc. with a lot at stake in that country she isn’t interested in doing what I describe, despite maintaining a German residence that would allow it to be done.
That is technically not correct from a legal perspective, see article 25 of the German citizenship law at https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stag/BJNR005830913.html
From a practical perspective, you are correct that no notification takes place. However, every time the passport gets renewed, there is a requirement on the application form to declare all other citizenships and how they were obtained. One can of course not declare that other citizenship but that would be making an untrue statement.
