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@Malibuflyer has the vaccine spread been exponential? Both of these lines look kinda linear to me, although with different gradients:

EGLM & EGTN

That’s an interesting graph and surprising. I have been thinking that France has been really slow in its vaccine roll out, perhaps the slowest in Europe. However, at the 16th March, some 5.07 million vaccines have been given here. Your graph seems to show the EU having given around 13million doses, which means that the other 27 plus countries have only delivered 8million between them.

France

gallois wrote:

Your graph seems to show the EU having given around 13million doses, which means that the other 27 plus countries have only delivered 8million between them.

I think perhaps you are reading the graph wrong. It shows doses delivered per 100 head of population on the y-axis, not millions of doses.

The EU has delivered a total of ~52m doses.

EGLM & EGTN

ERG is the ironically-named European Research Group – the fairly extreme Eurosceptic fringe of the UK Conservative Party.

EGLM & EGTN

Graham wrote:

Both of these lines look kinda linear to me, although with different gradients:

It’s a bit hard to see on this vertical scale – but if you look at the data for the EU graph, it is clearly exponential so far. with just a little bit of slowdown on the last 3 points.

In the UK I agree it is linear. But in the UK we are actually already at the described situation that it is unlikely that we see substantial further improvement in the vaccination project and definitely will not have to wait until next year to reach 75%.

Germany

Malibuflyer wrote:

It’s a bit hard to see on this vertical scale – but if you look at the data for the EU graph, it is clearly exponential so far. with just a little bit of slowdown on the last 3 points.

In the UK I agree it is linear. But in the UK we are actually already at the described situation that it is unlikely that we see substantial further improvement in the vaccination project and definitely will not have to wait until next year to reach 75%.

The EU curve might technically be exponential, but the radius of that curve is so enormous it would be many months before it hit the same gradient as the UK line.

The UK rate varies between (in relative terms) fast and very fast. There are rumours about the supply situation (the latest is that rates will perhaps double for the next two weeks because a massive shipment of AZ has arrived from India) but no official announcements because the government doesn’t want to put the manufacturers in the firing line (contrast with UVDL’s strategy). We had a (relatively) slow period for a couple of weeks but things are picking up again – over 500k jabs yesterday and Tuesday is usually quite a slow day.

Edit: the latest is that an internal NHS letter has been leaked warning of significantly reduced supply for first vaccinations for ~4 weeks beginning 29 March. The media point to this as evidence of supply issues, but if you read between the lines it correlates with the time when second doses are going to start becoming due (3 months out from first doses) in very large numbers.

Last Edited by Graham at 17 Mar 17:30
EGLM & EGTN

Presumably thinking about it, VDl is just playing to her gallery.

Perhaps lots of Europeans believe it is the Brits. fault they arent getting the vaccine. Sadly, by the time the politicans have wipped them up into a fervour, perhaps some of our European friends believe this.

I am afraid there has been a long history of running down the Brits., which is such a shame.

The EU vaccine data was just updated, and I have summarised it below, with a couple of individual countries. Hopefully I have not double counted anything this time.

My first reaction was: ‘Why is the EU complaining about AZ shortages when they aren’t even using what they have?’.

But after noticing the approximately 50% usage of AZ, I had second thoughts. If you have supply worries about a two-shot vaccine, it could make sense to ‘jab one, store one’.

G:\>euvacc.py
filter: EU
Mfr  Delivered   1st Dose   2nd Dose  ?? Dose %Usage
--- ---------- ---------- ---------- -------- ------
AZ  15,866,627  8,620,129     22,365      273   54.5
CN     550,000    478,853      3,936        0   87.8
COM 43,025,014 24,822,965 14,718,977    1,124   91.9
MOD  3,841,815  1,800,631    544,832      197   61.1
SPU    146,000     35,537     18,464        0   37.0
UNK    717,915    383,197    206,300        9   82.1
--- ---------- ---------- ---------- -------- ------
TOT 64,147,371 36,141,312 15,514,874    1,603   80.5

G:\>euvacc.py France
filter: France
Mfr  Delivered   1st Dose   2nd Dose  ?? Dose %Usage
--- ---------- ---------- ---------- -------- ------
AZ   2,704,800  1,358,990         61        0   50.2
CN           0          0          0        0    0.0
COM  6,534,255  3,531,192  2,113,806        0   86.4
MOD    550,900    245,434    110,113        0   64.5
SPU          0          0          0        0    0.0
UNK          0          0          0        0    0.0
--- ---------- ---------- ---------- -------- ------
TOT  9,789,955  5,135,616  2,223,980        0   75.2

G:\>euvacc.py Germany
filter: Germany
Mfr  Delivered   1st Dose   2nd Dose  ?? Dose %Usage
--- ---------- ---------- ---------- -------- ------
AZ   3,062,400  1,679,794        217        0   54.9
CN           0          0          0        0    0.0
COM  8,759,595  4,621,916  2,819,508        0   85.0
MOD    679,200    241,405     75,195        0   46.6
SPU          0          0          0        0    0.0
UNK          0          0          0        0    0.0
--- ---------- ---------- ---------- -------- ------
TOT 12,501,195  6,543,115  2,894,920        0   75.5
White Waltham EGLM, United Kingdom

Fuji_Abound wrote:

I am afraid there has been a long history of running down the Brits., which is such a shame.

But no monopoly of xenophobia there, unfortunately. You have probably heard of a certain Mr Johnson, not to mention a certain Mr Farage?

:-)

White Waltham EGLM, United Kingdom

Interesting numbers. A good Q would be whether the UK is also stashing away 1 for 1 injected.

As regards the current vaccine row I doubt this will go anywhere since a load of Pfizer vaccine stuff is made in the UK but clearly UVDL doesn’t know that.

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Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom
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