have you noticed the French reg VL3 ULM on plane check?
Yes there are two VL3 on planecheck with F-Jxxx, not buying anytime soon 
I have an aircraft already and I am banned from getting anything else: gliders, vintages… but if get a ULM soon, it has to make 150m strips with 2pob and I can leave 5min nearby 
The amateur built etc international privileges are another thread which I have just updated with the above LAA doc (which is not ULs).
gallois wrote:
According to @LeSving France charge €50 for a UL of 600kg
It’s not according to me, its according to this:
MLA_flying_in_Europe_1_1_2022_pdf
Then going to the France section and follow the appropriate link.
As I interpret this (but I could be wrong), ULs that do not fall inside the French UL regulations, has to apply for approval, with a fee of €50.
France charge €50 for a UL of 600kg. I can not confirm this as I have never tried flying a 600kg in France.
It’s here (boscomantico probably quoted the same screenshots)
https://www.ecologie.gouv.fr/aeronefs-etrangers
Actually for Blois, the exemption is to avoid paying 50€ for 600kg
Thanks for the links. Interesting that France are making the same charge for everything up to 5.7tonnes. So not just microlights. The DGAC obviously decided not to make a difference for some reason.
gallois wrote:
Interesting that France are making the same charge for everything up to 5.7tonnes. So not just microlights. The DGAC obviously decided not to make a difference for some reason.
Not quite, because:
“Specific case of amateur-built aircraft
Amateur built aircraft, registered in a European Economic Area member State, in Switzerland or in the United Kingdom are allowed to overfly the French territory without prior validation of their airworthiness document for a maximum of 90 cumulated days over the last twelve months. All days from the time the aircraft enters French airspace to the time it leaves French airspace are taken into account, whether or not flights have actually taken place
For amateur built aircraf registered in other States, a validation of their foreign airworthiness document (and potentially of the aeronautical title of their pilot) shall be obtained."
So no seperate permission needed to enter France with a homebuilt.
Yes better stop mixing homebuilts aeroplanes and factorybuilts microlights, the whole permission thingy is market protection, it applies for the latter not the former !
Ibra wrote:
Yes better stop mixing homebuilts aeroplanes and factorybuilts microlights
Not going to happen unfortunately
There is also amateur built ULs I think this confusion is due to different rules in every country, and lack of definition of what different organisations actually mean.
In Norway an UL is an UL no matter what. Factory built or built from scratch makes no difference.
An aircraft registered as an experimental can be anything. Mostly it is an amateur built, but could also be factory built. It doesn’t matter, because an experimental registered plane is an experimental registered plane, they are all in the same category.
Then the ECAC rule is about amateur built aircraft. But what kind? It doesn’t say, but taking the history into account it’s obvious they mean an amateur built as in the experimental category (not UL). You really have to know the history for this to make sense. People born after 1980 would have little clue.
These new French regs is obvious to me, but is it obvious to others? What about the rule makers themselves? When are they born ? It’s not perfectly clear IMO.
