Agree. It’s so easy to file a flight plan these days, especially using EFB-tools, so worrying about “is it allowed with or without” becomes a non-issue for me. As soon as I cross a border, I file a flightplan.
Yes no excuses for not filing one, given how serious one can be jailed for not filing an FPL after a mid-air collision, the typical civilian court judge may view it as reckless flying, at least how things played in one case between France & Italy !
Indeed it did and I believe that case is still not fully resolved.
Hello, looking at this discussion people seem to say that Germany does not require a VFR flight plan for cross border flight. However, I was trying to go through the AIP to see where that would be indicated.
In the Belgium+Lux AIP ENR 1.10 it is clear:
“VFR flights remaining within the Schengen Area do not need a flight plan as far as the Brussels FIR is concerned (for requirements applicable in other Schengen States, please consult the relevant AIP).”
But in the German ENR 1.10 there is just the standard language:
“A flight plan shall be submitted prior to operating…any flight across international borders, unless otherwise prescribed by the States concerned.”
Is there somewhere in the AIP that I missed where it says a VFR flight plan is not needed?
I see in another thread that there is something called a NFL which is different from the AIP and which seems to be for sale for 199 euro per year, and is only in German and may have the needed info. I never learned about NFLs, only AIPs. Is this somthing that I need to purchase, translate and read before going to Germany in order to know what rules are not in the AIP?
I am a very new PPL in Belgium, trying to explore a little.
Yes NFL corresponds to notice to airmen (Nachrichten für Luftfahrer), however not available for free. There’s a lawsuit going on against that, because it’s obviously ridiculous to have orders you can’t follow without buying them.
It says something like if the other country permits then no FPL required.
In Austria it also works..
By the way I don’t buy NFL. Sooner or later the relevant ones get published somewhere
This thread should have the info further back (66 posts so far; check especially the first 20) but there are so many gotchas on this concession that I would not bother.
Filing a flight plan is trivial nowadays. This has to be VFR and for that any FP filing service will do, since there is no route to validate. I just use eurofpl.eu for these.
Thanks. I just wanted to know where to find the official source, so I could check it to see if anything had changed from these old posts. But it seems the official source is behind a paywall, in German only, and a different paywall than what is included in the VFR AIP Germany subscription.
I agree that filing a flight plan is generally not a hassle, I use skydemon and it is super simple. However, it is the one hour notice that bothers me, as it is one more thing to worry about and manage as plans change.
Using a flight plan is more cumbersome than filing one, especially when one flys to airports that can’t activate a flight plan, and are right next to a border. I take off, leave the circuit, switch to FIS, circle, wait for confirmation of activation, and then cross the border and switch to the next FIS.
In reality there is no 1hr notice IME.
As soon as the departure tower has the flight plan, which will be seconds after it has been injected into the AFTN, you can fly. This is also true for IFR which “in theory” needs 3hrs.
Activation, if needed, can be a problem, yes.
@Peter in reality it is, yes. I have that in France where they do not let me file anything sooner than 1 hour in the future.in particular a topic for an unplanned stop, that can happen any time when flying VFR or with a crowded cabin.
Last time I filed the following flight plan during descent. But it’s a bit tricking the system. You have to close the active flight plan first, while flying, if not the system rejects the second plan.
And all of that while one should be doing approach briefing, traffic avoidance, airspace circumnavigation. So I really don’t encourage nobody to do that 😉
