airways wrote:
It’s ridiculous rules like “no ATC => no IFR app” that lead to situations like these. Not a problem in mainland Europe…
Really? AFAIK there are not too many countries in Europe that allow any kind of approaches to unattended airfields.
“Unattended” and “no ATC” are worlds apart. In most countries, an AFIS is sufficient to allow instrument appraoches.
boscomantico wrote:
“Unattended” and “no ATC” are worlds apart. In most countries, an AFIS is sufficient to allow instrument appraoches.
You’re right. AFIS is strictly speaking not ATC. Should I have written ATS?
Why would you even need an AFIS anyway?
To call the fire brigade when you mess up.
Aviathor wrote:
Why would you even need an AFIS anyway?
I think maybe it has to do with having some eyes on the runway? They are still open for VFR with no one in the tower, but not IFR.
LeSving wrote:
They are still open for VFR with no one in the tower, but not IFR.
In what country?
airways wrote:
To call the fire brigade when you mess up.
That is what we have SAR and FPL for. With your reasoning FPL and two-way radio communication should be compulsory even in class G
No it doesn’t. If you crash during circuit training at an uncontrolled airfield, the airfield commander (or how do you call it) will notify the fire brigade. In Belgium: no airfield commander (or equivalent) => airfield closed. Has nothing to do with SAR or FPL.
In what country?
In Norway. You “need” a PFLY card, which is a pure AVINOR security issue, and you also have to file a flight plan.
airways wrote:
No it doesn’t. If you crash during circuit training at an uncontrolled airfield, the airfield commander (or how do you call it) will notify the fire brigade. In Belgium: no airfield commander (or equivalent) => airfield closed. Has nothing to do with SAR or FPL.
Well, if you crash en-route, do not have a flight plan and are not talking to anyone, nobody will alert anyone. That is what it has to do with SAR, FPL and two-way comms.
So if the Belgians feel that one cannot land at unattended airfields because someone should be able to alert rescue services, that logic would dictate that one should not fly in class G without FPL and two-way comms so that someone can alert SAR.
