Peter wrote:
I might fly to Greece once or twice a year, at most. But would I buy a plane which can’t take me there? NO WAY. Greece is very special to me (and to Justine).
You’re still severely restricted in your itinerary with the TB20 due to the AVGAS issue in Greece. So I’d say a TB20 is “NO WAY”. Has to be a jet fuel plane. Same logic, isn’t it?
Cirrus_Man wrote:
that the backup little all in one EFIS will not be Garmin but a completely separate unit […]
It will be embedded into the Garmin touch controller (the one in front of the pilot) and will be switched on automatically if there is a miscompare in the primarty/secondary ADAHARS.
I don’t understand how it can be “embedded into the Garmin touch controller”? It is a separate instrument, having nothing to do with the Garmin flight deck and needs to be mounted somewhere or will the Garmin controller automatically flip around James-Bond-style and the backup EFIS appear? Also an EFIS needs to be mounted vertically so I doubt it can be in place of the touch controller.
That backup instrument doesn’t seem to be reflected in the compute rendering of the cockpit but that image was probably created by the summer intern anyway… 
I’ve seen a photo of the real panel. There is no standalone backup horizon.
It is, as has already been stated, a function which is integrated into the left hand touch controller.
The touch controller is just a thin display screen so the screen will have a “second input”from the EFIS.
If you would have looked at the link I posted, you would see that the EFIS is landscape oriented.
Here is a picture of the EFIS in the SR22 (gratuitous aviation porn promotional shot) but I am only pasting it here to show both the EFIS and its size/orientation and also you can see the red “reversionary button” in between the two large screens. So if you push that button in the Vision, the EFIS will be primary on that first touch controller but crucially, completely separate from the other Garmin instrumentation. It is also classified as an “emergency instrument” which means that it can be powered by either Gen 1, Gen2, Bat 1 or Bat 2.(through the bus distribution)
PS: This is an actual cockpit…not a digital image
achimha wrote:
Also an EFIS needs to be mounted vertically so I doubt it can be in place of the touch controller.
SAM has a horizontal version. Coincidentally, that is the version used in the SR22 (the backup instrument arrangement is horizontal there, as I’m sure you are aware). I also don’t know how exactly is that supposed to work, but I guess they could incorporate hardware of a SAM into the controller and reuse some parts (at the very least the display) of the controller for interface. As I wrote, it won’t be a SAM anymore. A strange solution.
You’re still severely restricted in your itinerary with the TB20 due to the AVGAS issue in Greece
Negative; the range of 1300nm allows anywhere in Greece to be reached from e.g. LDLO, and there is avgas at several airports so everything can be done. Just have to get organised, but that’s true in most places.
It would be nice to be able to fly UK-Greece and a Jet-A1 burner can land at most places because so many of the islands have Customs (due to holiday flights) but you need a TBM for that. Shoreham to Athens, about 4hrs in a typical wind scenario. 5hrs to Crete.
I am sure the Cirrus Jet will be successful in total sales volume, for reasons already mentioned, but not because it takes on the established hardware.
If it is abandoned, like the Piper and Diamond jet projects, will the position holders get a 100% refund?
I am familiar with the instrument and what you are posting still does not make any sense.
Either it’s a separate Mid Continent instrument or it’s a Garmin instrument. If the Garmin flight deck displays the EFIS on one of its screens, then we have a very poor level of redundancy. There needs to be something that is completely separate, not from Garmin, not connected, not sharing any resources, just like in the SR22.
PS: Here’s the cockpit of the Airbus A350. Even they have completely separate small EFIS.
But all those mountains in the PFD are animated only :-)
I thought about converting mine to the new backup instruments, they’re nice.
Peter wrote:
If it is abandoned, like the Piper and Diamond jet projects, will the position holders get a 100% refund?
No, position holders will only get their deposit back if the project is cancelled but I think that is very unlikely after the Chinese have put more than $100 million into the final certification process. Also, since the others have abandoned their projects, Cirrus is the only game in town for this project so why abandon it?
achimha wrote:
There needs to be something that is completely separate, not from Garmin, not connected, not sharing any resources, just like in the SR22.
Dont agree and I am sure that the FAA will take a great interest in how the SAM is operated so I assume it is very robust indeed.
