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Get yourselves sorted, gents, otherwise it will be more like 2016 before we can start applying...

Do you have any reason to be that optimistic?

United Kingdom

It is starting to get ridiculous, though. At first, it was 100 hours (of what was not clear). Then it was clarified that flighttime under IFR is what is required. Then the number went down to 50. And now it is supposedly 25 hours of instrument (IMC) time. Get yourselves sorted, gents, otherwise it will be more like 2016 before we can start applying...

Mainz (EDFZ) & Egelsbach (EDFE), Germany

I've just read a letter in Flight Training News by one of the FCL008 members that the latest CBM IR proposal (for FAA IR conversion) is 25hrs flight time by reference to instruments, plus the IR skills test.

Clearly it doesn't leave much time, between whenever the CBM IR arrives, and April 2014 when FAA IR holders (whose "operator" is EU based etc) and who do not have JAA/EASA papers, get shafted by EASA FCL.

Anyway, FAA IR holders who don't have 25hrs instrument time need to log every little bit of instrument time they can!

It's easy to not bother with the 5 mins spent transiting a cloud layer, but on most carefully planned flights at Eurocontrol cruise altitudes that will be your only chance to build the 25hrs.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Step-by-step instructions were shamelessly lifted from a corresponding post on the PPL/IR Europe forums. Thanks David!

I think that without that very good "menu" from Bookworm, I would not have worked out how to do it!

Absolutely! In fact, there are quite a few comments critical of the system.

EGLM

I've done my bit too.

I think that without that very good "menu" from Bookworm, I would not have worked out how to do it!

In fact I found a number of empty comments under my name in the earlier text so clearly I had written some stuff there which didn't get saved...

IMHO, the majority of people will not be able to use this system to comment. If I was in a business whose business is to collect statistically representative data I would never have a opaque website like this. So why do they do it? Presumably it is to minimise the number of comments posted, limiting them to people who are already familiar with EASA procedures and are thus statistically supportive of the agency.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

Thanks for the reminder, bookworm. Supportive reaction sent.

EGLM

It probably is the straw that will do what EASA really want - kill of the N-reg community in Europe

If they actually deliver on this proposal, it will greatly reduce the growth of the N-reg light aircraft population (which has historically been driven mostly by the accessibility of the IR) but IMHO it won't reduce the present population because those people (which includes myself ) benefit from the Part 91 operating regime, if non-complex (below 5.7T, below 19 seats, not ME TP or jet).

I was not suprised EASA did not introduce long term parking limits (the only possible means of control) because they are so hard to operate, and have trivial work-arounds.

Moving N to G, with the potentially massive can of worms, just so you don't have to do the BFR every 2 years, is not going to happen.

What it will kill off is the part of the N-reg population which cannot get EASA medicals. Those people will be totally screwed - unless they find some way through the maze to get an EASA initial medical.

I couldn't actually see a requirement for a registered course for the three new IR writtens. Will we actually be able to self-study again?

I don't know what the latest on that is, but that would certainly be a key component in making the IR more accessible. The present system, where you have to give a ground study FTO ~£1000 so they "let you" do a load of homework for them to mark, and then "let you" sit the 7 exams at Gatwick (which they let you do only if the homework was to some (unwritten) standard) is a pure restrictive practice.

Administrator
Shoreham EGKA, United Kingdom

I've been looking at it as well. As an IMC holder with comfortably over the 40 hours instrument-reference time, and a couple of good reasons to want an IR in the next year or two I think this new thang is exactly what I wanted. I don't mind holding off for 6 months until somebody provides an exam course and have already had a conversation with my friendly neighbourhood IRI about it.

Why do an FAA IR at this point? As I seldom fly in any bits of the USA that have heard of IMC, and even more seldom fly an N reg in Europe, not me.

It probably is the straw that will do what EASA really want - kill of the N-reg community in Europe. If they genuinely give us something affordable and achievable in sensible hours, I'm very happy. If course, we've yet to see how it works in practice.

It would be good if anybody seeing anything, posts details of training providers establishing themselves for the new syllabus, particularly the groundschool elements.

Incidentally, when I scan-read that document, I couldn't actually see a requirement for a registered course for the three new IR writtens. Will we actually be able to self-study again?

G

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